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WassupNwk
03-04-2006, 09:35 PM
so far mr. baraka is getting a free pass on this forum. much was advertised about his being on the council as a sign of good things to come. mr. tucker, may he rest in peace, passed away october 18, 2005. mr. baraka was appointed november 2005 and he is now officially part of the big $80M heist just four short months into his rookie term. we talk so much about the newark jurassic council members being corrupt ... what about the rookie? he is no longer innocent and he is officially stained and one of sharpe's robots. anybody have anything to say about this fact? silence is not golden.

rusty
03-04-2006, 10:25 PM
He had his one huge chance to prove he was not part of the same machine and failed miserably. At least make a move or motion to table the decision until more info is given. Anything. instead, same old sh#t. Clean the slate in May

CaptainJim59
03-05-2006, 12:57 AM
you are a sham, just like your illiterate father!

Miss Tam-Tam
03-05-2006, 10:41 AM
Here's Ras' response, which appeared in today's Ledger. You know the drill: A Funny Thing Happens to Money in Newark on Its Way to Fix a Problem. As long as a system is broken, all the cash in the world will never be the answer:

<<Essex Forum - Sunday Star-Ledger - March 5, 2006

$50M is needed despite mayor's controversy

Election year or not, I believe the entire council -- no matter who was sitting -- would have voted for $30 million in redevelopment to go to the neighborhoods. This money is sorely needed and long overdue.

For decades, we have watched little to no real development go on our blocks, short of overpriced two-and three-family homes. I have watched Building 505 on Clinton Avenue for 30 years become a pit stop for drug activity and a symbol of neighborhood decay. This is an opportunity fought for and won by our council. And while I understand certain people's suspicions, my job as a councilman is to provide oversight to force the process to be as transparent as possible.

This process is in its infancy. It is not over. And while I may have been a little skeptical about the $50 million, it seemed a bit hypocritical and more like election time drama to vote for one and not for the library, the museum, Lincoln Park Cultural Project and other downtown development proposals.

I invite people to continue asking hard, revealing questions. It motivates us to do our jobs and is the essence of democracy. But I can assure you that the council is in oversight and, contrary to prevailing propaganda, we are not all in some mayor's or would be mayor's pocketbook.

--Ras Baraka
Newark councilman-at-large>>

Doofus1
03-05-2006, 11:04 AM
Simple questions for Mr. Baraka: Why now? Why commit to such projects in a rush on the eve of an election when it is clear that the incumbent is heading for the door? There can be only one response: Because it was a payoff.

WassupNwk
03-05-2006, 11:27 AM
rookie ras won't admit to being lost, but does admit to being confused for one $80M vote. he admits that the james administration has failed as follows:

"For decades, we have watched little to no real development go on our blocks, short of overpriced two-and three-family homes. I have watched Building 505 on Clinton Avenue for 30 years become a pit stop for drug activity and a symbol of neighborhood decay. This is an opportunity fought for and won by our council. And while I understand certain people's suspicions, my job as a councilman is to provide oversight to force the process to be as transparent as possible."

mr. james has been around for two of those "decades." rookie ras needed to stand up for real leadership. in the grand scheme of things $30M divided into $6M for each ward is chump change compared to taking a stand for a better newark. what will be the next issue that the council will stumble over? if money blinds you, then move aside and let real leaders change our city. when these individuals campaign, they never talk about how money influences their decision making. we should start asking questions about how their character (or lack thereof) is impacted when money is on the table (or beneath it). mr. baraka's play on hypocrisy boomerangs back at him. we need to attend council meetings and ask these "hard, revealing questions. It motivates us to do our jobs and is the essence of democracy" right in their faces. the words he spoke smack of a sellout who would have taken a totally different position had he not been tapped to succeed the late mr. tucker. mr. baraka is beholden to those who granted him a seat on the council, namely, mr. james. don't insult our intellience by inferring your are not in the "mayor's pocketbook." we know you aren't because he doesn't allow anyone near his stolen money. but you are up his #$$.

RACEMATTERS
03-05-2006, 11:30 AM
It is evident that Ras took the low road and ran with the money without thinking of the consequences. Shame on you Ras... and too think we went to the same school and i helped you in 94 and 98....shame on you.:mad:

Klap Bak
03-05-2006, 11:56 AM
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FOR JAMES ...... FOR MYSELF!!!!

WassupNwk
03-05-2006, 09:26 PM
i hope mr. baraka is paying attention and realizing how he cannot exist in a glass house. i wonder how he trains his conscience to overlook the guilt of selling out his community? you were honest when you were on the outside looking in. now you are in, and you are playing it typical. you need to be back where you were so the rest of your life can reflect the honor you talked so much about but have failed to walk.

ForNwk
03-05-2006, 09:50 PM
It is good to see a response from Ras whether you agree or not. I don't know of any citizen who would disagree that our neighborhoods need "real" development. The problem remains that the citizens were not given their opportunity to participate in this process.

For a process in its infancy it appears that a lot of conversations, agreements and appointments have already been made. I seriously hope the Mayor and Council see the importance of holding a public meeting or hearing on this matter sooner rather than later.

5Reasons
03-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Ras comments are a pathetic attempt to spin the council-controlled slush fund. Merely because someone has attached the word “neighborhood” does not change what it is. And let me REMIND YOU exactly what this is: The council-controlled theft fund is a $30,000,000 check given to a NONEXISTENT nonprofit in which there was, eh, about an hour’s worth of debate. :mad: The so-called nonprofit that received the money is being headed by the same people that under-invested in recreation and neigborhood projects for decades. Furthermore, every time this city forms one of these types of organizations, they only end up serving one primary constituent - the bagmen. That’s what this fund would do. Still, as a councilmen, you shouldn’t appropriate ONE DIME, let alone $80,000,000 to TWO psuedo-organizations that don’t exist, don’t have a governing structure, that have no goals and objectives, no rules, no measurement for assesssment - NOTHING! And, of course, since this was a 3 day job to rob us, it wasn’t even open to public debate - OF COURSE NOT.

The INCOMPETENT COUNCIL got caught stealing and NOW THEY’RE ALL TRYING TO SPIN. :mad: The fact is, is that they didn’t care about “neighborhood redevelopment.” What they cared about was THEIR OWN SELF-PRESERVATION. Each of these thieves was going to use their 6 MILLION DOLLAR SHARE of the bounty to go around town and promise it to loyal constituents if they brought out the vote. That’s all. That’s all these crooks are motivated by in 2006.…friggin self-preservation.

Well, I will give a quick hint to Ras and the rest of the INCOMPETENT COUNCIL. If they are STILL remotely interested in self-preservations, then they should GIVE THE MONEY BACK. They better give the money back BEFORE someone starts looking into this. And, they better give it back LONG BEFORE May 9th. I can assure you that NONE IN THIS GANG wants to go into May talking about this. And you surely don’t want to have this fund around when the State and feds start looking into this. And yes, I know for a fact that the state has received a complaint and will be looking into these slush funds.

These fools STILL don’t get it: They think that 2006 is just like any other Newark election. They think they can just back door handshakes, wink & nod their way to victory. It clearly is a sign that they don’t know what the he11 is going on with the average Newarker. The average Newarker is REALLY ANGRY. We’re tired of the growing violence, crime, garbage, crackheads at every turn, taxes going up, and more, more, MORE money for the toxic mix insiders that have been making out like bandits. But these fools thought that they could pull the same sh!t they pull in every election. Make a lot of promises; get the nonprofits to do their heavy work; maybe you deliver on 1/3rd of those promises, and the status quo prevails. For that alone, the INCOMPETENT COUNCIL should be sent packing on May 9th. And indeed, many of them will.

NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

Damn man, haven't you stolen enough???

ChiefAziz
03-06-2006, 12:46 AM
First of all you cowardly 5 0r 6 people who make noise on this site give yourselves way too much credit. He does not owe you, whom most of you probably do not even live in this city, not a Damn thing! Councilman Baraka's duty is to the citizens of Newark, NJ. And this is an opportunity to provide upgraded recreational facilities, better services and summer/year round jobs to young people in Newark. And I would say that if Booker was on the Council, whether it was an election year or not would have voted the same way. Even his two candidates voted for the 30 million dollars. Because like the rest of there Council colleagues they realize all of the positive benefits that will come from that kind of money in the neighborhoods. And that is what it is about. Councilman Baraka is a responsible representative for the people of Newark and I trust that when he says there will be oversite, then that will be the case.

Some of you people on this site are cowards. To call out Imamu Baraka in that way is very disrespectful to say the least. A man who has stood up to injustice in Newark for over 35 years. What have any of you done? Call names. What have any of you ever brought to the table in regards to the advancement of Black people, Newark, or anybody for that matter.

So I say that you all on this site who hide behind an anonymous web site persona, bring something to the table. I challege you to bring something to the table. Propose something new and innovative. Come to a council meeting and be heard. Oh that may be like asking boys and girls to grow up and be men and women before they are ready to do so...

Klap Bak
03-06-2006, 06:44 AM
First of all you cowardly 5 0r 6 people who make noise on this site give yourselves way too much credit. He does not owe you, whom most of you probably do not even live in this city, not a Damn thing! Councilman Baraka's duty is to the citizens of Newark, NJ. And this is an opportunity to provide upgraded recreational facilities, better services and summer/year round jobs to young people in Newark. And I would say that if Booker was on the Council, whether it was an election year or not would have voted the same way. Even his two candidates voted for the 30 million dollars. Because like the rest of there Council colleagues they realize all of the positive benefits that will come from that kind of money in the neighborhoods. And that is what it is about. Councilman Baraka is a responsible representative for the people of Newark and I trust that when he says there will be oversite, then that will be the case.

Some of you people on this site are cowards. To call out Imamu Baraka in that way is very disrespectful to say the least. A man who has stood up to injustice in Newark for over 35 years. What have any of you done? Call names. What have any of you ever brought to the table in regards to the advancement of Black people, Newark, or anybody for that matter.

So I say that you all on this site who hide behind an anonymous web site persona, bring something to the table. I challege you to bring something to the table. Propose something new and innovative. Come to a council meeting and be heard. Oh that may be like asking boys and girls to grow up and be men and women before they are ready to do so...

The numbers suggest otherwise. Lost are viewing. Careful what you say.

.... careful what you ask for..... Chief.

Employment: -It is important to understand that decent jobs with living wages are the first step to improving the quality of life of Newark residents and impacts education and crime. We should ensure that all businesses that receive City contracts offer their employees a living wage. While Newark has progressive policies in the hiring of "minorities" and Newark residents these laws are not aggressively enforced. While the city is being rebuilt we need to ensure that these giant public works projects, such as the arena are holding up their end of the bargain by hiring Newarkers first at all levels of development and management. All corporations that receive city abatement should also pay their workers a living wage and adhere to a policy of employing Newark residents.

While the city also has many development and training programs through the one stop center and the office of MOET we need to ensure that people are being trained for the jobs/careers that are viable and are marketable. As well as beginning to use the Rutgers small business development center to focus some of our residents on developing their own business.

"These 22 Million victims are waking up. There Eyes are coming open... They are becoming Politically Mature" ( The Ballot or the Bullet, Malcolm X).

Your first, second and third posts on this site fall deep into the abyss of plagiaristic dossiers ,,,, I quietly told you that on your first. Your quest for board members to propose something new and innovative should start within yourself.


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..... and the kettle replied "you black too fool."

Klap Bak
03-06-2006, 07:04 AM
And this is an opportunity to provide upgraded recreational facilities, better services and summer/year round jobs to young people in Newark. And I would say that if Booker was on the Council, whether it was an election year or not would have voted the same way. Even his two candidates voted for the 30 million dollars. Because like the rest of there Council colleagues they realize all of the positive benefits that will come from that kind of money in the neighborhoods.

……… of suppose. Suppose you are right that the 30 Million would go to the benefit of the neighborhoods ……. what is the 50 million for? It is a greater portion. He did vote on that did he not?

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 07:25 AM
Chief Shill,

This was an opportunity for the council to pull an election year stunt, to bribe local nonprofits into doing their work. This was ALSO an opportunity to create a slush fund that would be HEADED BY THE SAME PEOPLE that underfunded neighborhood and recreation projects FOR DECADES. Ah, did you miss that point? That's FOR DECADES, Chief Shill?

The fact is, is that these guys stole $80,000,000, robbed it from our treasury, and gave it to a crew that is leaving office. It is just a slush fund that will REALLY ENDOW the bagmen. The same usual suspects that have robbed Newark would get one last payday.

I suggest, since this Council voted for it for SELF- PRESERVATION, that they GIVE THE MONEY BACK immediately. I can assure you, that this thing won't stand up in court. And, I can assure you that the State is looking deep into this matter. So you have ask yourself a question: Is it worth it? Is it worth participating in this scheme just because you got clowned by this administration one last time?

This fund is illegal. It was formed in an illegal manner. It is headed by incompetents and crooks. If you give it back this week, you might have a chance to move on. But I can assure you, the LONGER you talk about this issue and more Newarkers KNOW about this election year theft fund stunt, THE WORSE IT'S GOING TO BE. But it's your bed, Chief Shill; you live with it anyway you want.

And let me end by saying the TRUTH: ANYONE that voted fro ANY PORTION of this $80,000,000 THEFT DID NOT have Newark's best interest at heart. They were thinking about this and motivated by GREED and SELF-INTEREST.( The people? My a$$.) Yeah bro, that's all Ras is; just another politician. But don't worry; he wasn't alone. He assimiliated into that subculture of greed and self-interest in a hurry. Amazing! And truly sad, that if you proclaim to want social justice, that you could defend this. You are part of the problem. You are far more interested in protecting your fantasy candidate, than in what's best for Newark. Those days are over.

Final note: Chief Shill, don't be so sensitive. I only participate in this forum because I love Newark I try to speak truth to power. Ras used to know what that was. Now, he (and you) have become part of the same structure you used to fight against. Eh, that's Newark for ya.

NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

DAMN MAN, HAVEN'T YOU STOLEN ENOUGH???

WassupNwk
03-06-2006, 08:46 AM
the thread is entitled "Ras Baraka Sold Us Out ..." to date one person made a reference to his father, which was not the intent, but this is america. otherwise, every posting has been on the mark, with the exception of yours. case in point, there are more than "5 or 6" people on the site and we aren't making "noise" ... perhaps "sense" is more appropriate. we do live in newark, which is why we have an issue with this theft. mr. baraka failed in his duty to represent newark. just because you favor mr. baraka doesn't make us obligated to be equally blind to the theft. the county of essex with mr. divincenzo has done more to promote recreation than the current den of thieves in city hall. non-profits are no better, check out their track record of not utilizing resources for the intended purpose they were granted. they promise alot, then go limp when it comes to spending the money for the COMMUNITY. they use it to pay salaries, overhead, and survival while looking to minimize dollars to impact the community. not all non-profits, but knowing this council, they'll work with the ones who think "me first" and fulfill this statement.

you are correct, if booker were on the council perhaps he would have voted for the $30M portion. 5Reasons is right, what about the $50M piece? did mr. baraka's brain suddenly go flatline and not assess how this is poor judgment? the council joined mr. james' cronies in feeding off the city like vultures. can mr. booker make a difference ... gee, we hope so. he has alot to prove, otherwise the future really looks bleak for newark. how can a city with such a great history have no leadership talent pool to tap into? why always the same names over and over again? you have mr. rice, sr., the paynes, etc. and a rare new comer like booker. we need more talent at the table. if this was a professional sports franchise, we would be at the bottom of the barrel because we are void of future talent with bad financial decisions to further hold us back.

fyi ... the city is not just in need of advancement for "black people." newark is evolving and we need to embrace the truth of where it's heading, not where it's been. we're a growing diverse city that must embrace it's identity proactively or continue to wallow in lost opportunities.

so chief, be reasonable. we challenge you to likewise "propose something new and innovative." calling us "boys and girls" sounds alot like what you criticized is wrong with this forum, namely being disrespectful. we appreciate your comments because they belong to you. all we ask is that you care about what is right for the city. mr. baraka simply messed up. we aren't talking about the past ... it is the future we are concerned about.

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 09:09 AM
Let's also not forget that the Council APPROVED $100,000 in Happy News stories. But let's also not forget THE COUNCIL'S CHIEF DUTY: The council is chiiefly responsible for PASSING A BUDGET. Well, I know people tend to forget these little matters BUT the council PASSED A BUDGET (LAST YEAR) when it was LATE by 11 1/2 MONTHS. They borrowed MONEY from Master Charlie to balance that budget. This year, however, THEY STILL haven't passed a budget and there isn't one in sight. Yet, these thieving fools that can't pass a budget on time, figured out how to allow $80,000,000 in THEFT to be created in 48 hours. How is that possible? :mad: How can you NOT PASS A BUDGET, but you can GIVE AWAY MY MONEY to NONEXISTING organizations - that's $80,000,000 - in about two days. :(

I can think of 80,000,000 reasons why this Council deserves the boot. And boy, you all have about a week to rescind this thing before it's too late.

Ras says that the Council will provide oversite. Don't make me laugh. They can't even provide oversite for their main function - THE BUDGET, which they haven't passed and have no plans on addressing until after the election. They would do the same HORRIBLE job with these slush/theft funds as they do with the City's budget.

EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

CaptainJim59
03-06-2006, 09:33 AM
anything out in 48 hours. Sharpe and his cromies did, gave it to the council and they rubber stamped it!

ForNwk
03-06-2006, 10:46 AM
5,

Thank you for your comments and just to be clear, I have not forgotten. The fact is it's happenend, now what? The Mayor and Council have obviously agreed that they can create these two organizations and as far as I can see are moving forward with the plans. Is there any factual information that the state will investigate and if so, will there be a hold on the $80m? If so great!

I do chose to give the Mayor and each Councilperson their opportunity to explain what they have done no matter how ridiculous it may sound. I am aware that these types of projects have existed before and failed. Obviously someone told them they could try it again because they have.

Now I am interested in the citizens concerns and what steps we will take in reaction to this. Will there be a march? Will there be a gathering at the municipal council meeting? Complaints are in and mostly everyone knows where the other person is standing at this point.

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 02:05 PM
My byline, if you will, is Here I Stand, this is from the title of Paul Robeson's book. He has been my inspiration throughout my entire adult life. He did things on his own terms based on principle and commitment to working people around the world. I chose to respond today not because of nonsensical namecalling, or misinformation thinly vieled in academia or "smart talk," but because I like a good fight and i refuse to allow people, that niether know me or my family, to soil our names based on innuendo and commercials moonlighting as editorials from the Star Ledger. It is amazing though to see the level of passion and mobilization from you guys around what and for what. This is something that we have been waiting for for at least a decade. I believe in Democracy and welcome any principled criticism and dialogue but I will not stoop to grandstanding, name calling, or opinions presented as fact. it seems to me that anyone that disagrees with you or whose struggle does not exactly replicate your own is a sellout. This is a dangerous position to espouse. It is Facism. I do not believe that those that disagree should be cornered off and cut down nor do I believe that my opinions are evidence. I oppose islamic fanaticism and the fanaticism of the religious right in this country. Mao said let 100,000 flowers blossom and 100,000 ideas contend. I also believe that cynicism is not progressive but creates defeatism, and steals our will to truly fight back. I believe the best way to move forward is through organization and more importantly study. Our most deadly enemies are not individuals but the ideas that govern these individuals. Beauty opposes ugly and ugly is only determined by ones position in society, where they stand , or how they view the world. My fight is larger than Sharpe, Corey or Tom Moran for that matter. And your fight should be governed by information, fact, and vision. That is while its important to be against something its more important to be for something. My decisions are and have always been based on my own terms, my personal struggle, the things I have witnessed, what I have studied and how I view the world specifically this city its history and its present. My fight is not a line from a Sharpe James speech, nor a Cory Booker story, or and editorial from some political operative. I have my own story and it resembles thousands of young people in this city that are not pom pom wielding members of the Cory Booker fan club nor a Sharpe James flunky. We see Newark from up the hill in the middle of the block. That being said I am not going to apologize for voting for 30 million dollars to go to our community. I would do it again. This money is sorely needed. I will concede that the downtown core has enough, the Museum, Library , Lincoln Park, notwithstanding. There are Billions of dollars worth of development that will proceed unscathed downtown from Condos to retail space that some of you will enjoy and live in while most newarkers will watch from the abandon building on Clinton Avenue. This my freinds can not and willn ot continue while I am on the Council. All we have done is voted that this process can begin, that the money should go to these funds. The processs is far from over. There are scheduled meetings to decide bylaws, appointees, and projects. You should continue to involve yourself in the process come to council and community meetings and voice your dissent and opinion if you have the will to do so. Force the process to be as transparent as possilbe but to vote against community development is wrong. the money was earmarked for just that community development. Putting the money in the general fund is a bad idea. It will get lost in overtime and overspending. So how can we best use this money we create a method to spend it and disseminate it in a public way. We could have just put it in the general fund and there would not have been any discussion at all. I believe this can be used for the community's interest. My votes will never be governed by cynicism and anger. The real question to ask is are you opposed to this becasue Sharpe James is on the boards or are you against it in principle no matter who sits on the boards. I submit to you that this money will be used for development in the communtiy and I will fight to ensure that it will be. All of us again are not in the hip pocket of some Mayor or would-be Mayor.

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 02:07 PM
This site remids me of the documentary "Street Fight." it paints our city with a dangerously narrow brush. We are either crackheads, fools that support the present adminstration, seniors that have been duped, operatives, and the rest are supporters of Cory Booker. This is very arrogant and its false. I know hundreds maybe even thousands of people in this town that have the sme criticism of Sharpe james as they have with other traditional older leadership from the Civil Rights generation.They have failed to prepare a place for younger more progressive leadership and have turned their once good intentions to self serving fiefdoms, but these same people refuse to allow their valid criticisms with Sharpe to push them to the right e.g. Dinkins and Guilliani. Some people have not bought in to Corey's reform movement as it is not reform at all. New vision? New Leadership? New ideas? A Clean slate? Does that also include Luis and Augusto? They are prime examples of operatives turned bad. They are both Sharpe people. Look at their voting record or attendance record. You mean they are progressive simply because they betrayed Sharpe. How juvenile is that? Or the old saying holds true here, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Sounds like opportunism to me or the movement is not about reform but about Cory. Cory who has yet to articulate a real vision for this city and whose plans remains as secret as Sharpe's unknown to even those in his inner circle. Can we at least demand something from him too without being labeled or attacked because we have legitimate concerns. I will never be an operative. I am a revolutionary short and simple. I stnad by my decisions right or wrong own terms based on my own point of view. And as for you Captain Jim you are way out of your league. My father has published more books, essays, criticism, than you have read. He is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Letters, recieved and Obie Award for the best American play, has lectured on almost every continent and every state in the union, and has been called the most important author of our time by his contemporaries ranging from Dr. Maya Angelou to the late August Wilson. if you have come across something you cant understand or you are having trouble with try reading Paul Lawrence Dunbar, Langston Hughes, or Sterling Brown. If they are too Black for you then you can read Aime Cesaire, Henry Dumas, or even Shakespeare. Language is a wepon my friend some people have mastered more than one. I am Ras Baraka Councilman at Large!

counterattack
03-06-2006, 02:15 PM
welcome to the forum Ras good to see you come here and defend your position others in leadership need to do the same.

Doofus1
03-06-2006, 02:19 PM
Welcome, councilman. Forgetting the rhetoric, what is your vision for the $80 million of taxpayer money and why does it take a non-profit organization that is not controlled by the council to accomplish it? Seems to me, the proposals are a blanket indictment of the council's inability to manage the affairs of Newark that they have to turn to someone else to spend the City's money.

LastCubanStanding
03-06-2006, 02:31 PM
Thank you for joing us and for your eloquent discourse. However, I think you are missing the point of some of the member's concern - which also echo the concerns of many constituents.

1. How could you approve the funneling of funds to create the non-profit groups to "revitalize" the neighborhoods and develop recreation, when the City is struggling to provide basic services like police and fire protection to the neighborhoods. Do you know how many police officers and fire trucks $80 million buys?

2. How could you approve the creation of these groups which will be headed in perpetuity by someone who has been shown to be less than ethical?

3. Do you understand that this will create chaos in the City if one person is elected Mayor in May while another person controls this money? What will get done?

4. Given the City's track record with groups like the ones you approved, what do you actually think will happen to this money? Are you naive, inexperienced, or just a pawn of the current administration?

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
03-06-2006, 02:33 PM
I've been fighting a lonely battle against the "Bookerites" for some time.

LastCubanStanding
03-06-2006, 02:36 PM
I've been fighting a lonely battle against the "Bookerites" for some time.

This has nothing to do with Booker and you know it. This "last straw" by your pops is forcing many to jump ship. Don't forget, pack light close when you go to Virginia...it is always a little warmer down there. BTW, you didn't put up much of a fight.

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 02:53 PM
Point of fact the Council has not given up oversight. It sits on both boards at least but not limited to three on the downtown development board, and at least four on the Community board. No member will serve in perpetuity, and the bylaws and appointees, and projects have yet to be decided. There will be public forum for the aforementioned. I implore you to come to community and council meetings to voice your concern and dissent. Your fear seems to be centered around if the Mayor has any modicum of control over these boards. Does the Mayor have influence yes but not control. To insinuate that something criminal and unethical was done is wrong. Just say you disagree and say why. We are not going to be able ot stop Sharpe from having any kind of influence over the city is a futile struggle and frankly misguided.

I voted in good conscious. We fought for 30 million dollars for community develoment. To put the money back in the general fund is a mistake. It wi,l get lost in overtime and overspending. And to say spending on one thing is more important than the other is based on your view of the city. We have already allocated money for new Fire trucks and radios, for new police equipment and technology. And we have put in place miillions of dollars a year over several years for tax relief. This money was particularly earmarked for development nothing else. So do we put it in the genral fund (who has control of that) Where does it go from there? I believe that is a mistake. I agree that we form two public boards to serve as a fiduciary to disseminate the funds. These boards will consist of commuity people, buisness folks, and Councilpeople. All of these people are not and will not be under the thumb of one poltician. Certaintly i woont be. And anythign that happens in this city comes before the entire Council one way or another, and as for the Council members on the boards they will and should be held accountable. I dont know about you but we need this money all of us dont live in the best parts of the city and we need develoment on our blocks in our niegborhoods in ourlives...we can not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Maximus
03-06-2006, 02:54 PM
I am Ras Baraka Councilman at Large!

You are a pompus ass.

LastCubanStanding
03-06-2006, 02:58 PM
Point of fact the Council has not given up oversight. It sits on both boards at least but not limited to three on the downtown development board, and at least four on the Community board. No member will serve in perpetuity, and the bylaws and appointees, and projects have yet to be decided. There will be public forum for the aforementioned. I implore you to come to community and council meetings to voice your concern and dissent. Your fear seems to be centered around if the Mayor has any modicum of control over these boards. Does the Mayor have influence yes but not control. To insinuate that something criminal and unethical was done is wrong. Just say you disagree and say why. We are not going to be able ot stop Sharpe from having any kind of influence over the city is a futile struggle and frankly misguided.

I voted in good conscious. We fought for 30 million dollars for community develoment. To put the money back in the general fund is a mistake. It wi,l get lost in overtime and overspending. And to say spending on one thing is more important than the other is based on your view of the city. We have already allocated money for new Fire trucks and radios, for new police equipment and technology. And we have put in place miillions of dollars a year over several years for tax relief. This money was particularly earmarked for development nothing else. So do we put it in the genral fund (who has control of that) Where does it go from there? I believe that is a mistake. I agree that we form two public boards to serve as a fiduciary to disseminate the funds. These boards will consist of commuity people, buisness folks, and Councilpeople. All of these people are not and will not be under the thumb of one poltician. Certaintly i woont be. And anythign that happens in this city comes before the entire Council one way or another, and as for the Council members on the boards they will and should be held accountable. I dont know about you but we need this money all of us dont live in the best parts of the city and we need develoment on our blocks in our niegborhoods in ourlives...we can not throw out the baby with the bath water.

In five years I'll ask you what was accomplished with the money, and where did it go. I already know the answer, and so do you. You've been around enough to know what is going on here and that the "neighborhoods" will only receive a fraction of the benefit that COULD HAVE been underwritten by this money. You know as well as I do that if you were not a council person you would be screaming your lungs off right now alongside of us.

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 03:00 PM
as pompous as calling yourself maximus..again name calling is the refuge of the uninitiated those who run out of language and ideas resrot to barbarism. Thats why children fight because the lack the information to intellegently diagree. Or Facist believe that intimidation and bullying is ok as long as the trains run on time. You should be in Bush's cabinet. You are all on the same page. But thanks for the compliment!

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 03:04 PM
I am screaming just from a different position. I am not a cynic I cant afford to be. I know what I will fight for and against. It will only be spent in the way we will allow it to be spent that is my honest take on it. 30 million is better than nothing at all and if we wnat more we should fight for more. We should not concede the 50 million either. So in five years see me again and we nad talk about what happened or better than that see me now and we can see what we can do now!

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 03:05 PM
My byline, if you will, is Here I Stand, this is from the title of Paul Robeson's book. He has been my inspiration throughout my entire adult life. He did things on his own terms based on principle and commitment to working people around the world. I chose to respond today not because of nonsensical namecalling, or misinformation thinly vieled in academia or "smart talk," but because I like a good fight and i refuse to allow people, that niether know me or my family, to soil our names based on innuendo and commercials moonlighting as editorials from the Star Ledger. It is amazing though to see the level of passion and mobilization from you guys around what and for what. This is something that we have been waiting for for at least a decade. I believe in Democracy and welcome any principled criticism and dialogue but I will not stoop to grandstanding, name calling, or opinions presented as fact. it seems to me that anyone that disagrees with you or whose struggle does not exactly replicate your own is a sellout. This is a dangerous position to espouse. It is Facism. I do not believe that those that disagree should be cornered off and cut down nor do I believe that my opinions are evidence. I oppose islamic fanaticism and the fanaticism of the religious right in this country. Mao said let 100,000 flowers blossom and 100,000 ideas contend. I also believe that cynicism is not progressive but creates defeatism, and steals our will to truly fight back. I believe the best way to move forward is through organization and more importantly study. Our most deadly enemies are not individuals but the ideas that govern these individuals. Beauty opposes ugly and ugly is only determined by ones position in society, where they stand , or how they view the world. My fight is larger than Sharpe, Corey or Tom Moran for that matter. And your fight should be governed by information, fact, and vision. That is while its important to be against something its more important to be for something. My decisions are and have always been based on my own terms, my personal struggle, the things I have witnessed, what I have studied and how I view the world specifically this city its history and its present. My fight is not a line from a Sharpe James speech, nor a Cory Booker story, or and editorial from some political operative. I have my own story and it resembles thousands of young people in this city that are not pom pom wielding members of the Cory Booker fan club nor a Sharpe James flunky. We see Newark from up the hill in the middle of the block. That being said I am not going to apologize for voting for 30 million dollars to go to our community. I would do it again. This money is sorely needed. I will concede that the downtown core has enough, the Museum, Library , Lincoln Park, notwithstanding. There are Billions of dollars worth of development that will proceed unscathed downtown from Condos to retail space that some of you will enjoy and live in while most newarkers will watch from the abandon building on Clinton Avenue. This my freinds can not and willn ot continue while I am on the Council. All we have done is voted that this process can begin, that the money should go to these funds. The processs is far from over. There are scheduled meetings to decide bylaws, appointees, and projects. You should continue to involve yourself in the process come to council and community meetings and voice your dissent and opinion if you have the will to do so. Force the process to be as transparent as possilbe but to vote against community development is wrong. the money was earmarked for just that community development. Putting the money in the general fund is a bad idea. It will get lost in overtime and overspending. So how can we best use this money we create a method to spend it and disseminate it in a public way. We could have just put it in the general fund and there would not have been any discussion at all. I believe this can be used for the community's interest. My votes will never be governed by cynicism and anger. The real question to ask is are you opposed to this becasue Sharpe James is on the boards or are you against it in principle no matter who sits on the boards. I submit to you that this money will be used for development in the communtiy and I will fight to ensure that it will be. All of us again are not in the hip pocket of some Mayor or would-be Mayor.

Maximus
03-06-2006, 03:07 PM
All of us again are not in the hip pocket of some Mayor or would-be Mayor.

But you are. Amazing how these long-winded posts of yours start appearing when you're in trouble. 100 murders in '05 not a peep. Interesting.

See you at the polls.

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 03:12 PM
Ras,

You used to speak truth to power. Now you have power and you can't speak truth. I remember seeing you on the stage at Weequahic after the officer was killed and you worried more about criticism of James than the issue at hand: Namely, the rapid decline in the quality of life in Newark. I should have known then that ambition had won out over notions like truth and justice. That's Newark politics for ya.

But Ras, since you have less than 3 months left in office, and since your spin is particularly bad (although I'm glad you joined the forum), I suggest you deal WITH THE REAL ISSUES that I laid out in the other thread "Shall We March." There's not "deep hatred" of James in that post. I am, however, doing something you are unable to do: POINT OUT THE FACTS. You know the facts of creating slush funds and failed nonprofit corporations. The facts of 48 hours to pi$$ away 80 MILLION DOLLARS. The facts of voting to fund something that didn't even exist, no governing structure, laws et al. The FACT that the Incompetent Council can't even pass a budget on time, but can fund this 11th hour scheme on the eve of an election. And finally, THE FACT that the same people that underinvested in neighborhood recreation are the same people that would be heading this theft/slush fund. No - that's not "hatred" of Sharpe James or the Council. That is an accurate description of events.

Again, I remember you when you used to speak truth to power. It's amazing how power changes things, right? I look forward to your next book of poetry or whatever the he11 it is you write - I admit, I don't follow you closely. However, let me suggest a new poem, "Somebody Blew Up the Recreation Fund."

Yeah, I'm angry. I have a right to be. This sh!t is illegal and it will not stand. You guys better rescind it before everything come tumbling down.

NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

Maximus
03-06-2006, 03:15 PM
Actually I think the language I chose is appropriate for your behavior.

Speaking of language, most liars tend to hide behind lots and lots of words (like your posts)...hoping to confuse and bore folks. You picked the wrong virtual neighborhood to walk into with these lame excuses for that heist you and the James Gang pulled off.

blkphoenix
03-06-2006, 03:30 PM
I voted in good conscious. We fought for 30 million dollars for community develoment.

No you did not. You all weren't even thinking about community development when Sharpe came to you with the proposal. Matter of fact, you all were initially AGAINST the $80M proposal until Sharpe decided to give each of you $6M. Your collegue Amador admitted that much. Basically, in order to shut The Newark City Council up, Sharpe decided to give you all a cut, and you ate it up like tasty pudding.

blkphoenix
03-06-2006, 03:33 PM
I know what I will fight for and against.
If you know, tell us.

It will only be spent in the way we will allow it to be spent that is my honest take on it.
That's what we're afraid of.....

hardball
03-06-2006, 06:50 PM
But you are. Amazing how these long-winded posts of yours start appearing when you're in trouble. 100 murders in '05 not a peep. Interesting.

See you at the polls.

....the name calling.....is sad to say the least....it seems to me some of you guys who run this bull**** site.....have been waiting for the oppurtunity to attack my man.....this is so transparent....stevie wonder could see right thru it.....everybody on the council votes for the money.....but ras sold the people out????.....give me a break!!!!.....attack someone else please.....

.....honestly i can't wait until this election is over....so some of you can pull your hoods off....and we can see your face....
.....ras is such a better candidate than anyone else in the field.....it's not even close....why are you ONLY attacking him???....answer that.....anyone please...

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 06:58 PM
Two reasons for the "attack" - although I would call it, POINTING OUT THE HYPOCRACY.

1. Ras has always positioned himself as being a man of the people; a man that advocated the peoples' input in all matters. Surely the Ras of '94 would have never voted YES to 80 MILLION DOLLARS on 48 HOURS NOTICE and GIVEN UNCHECKED POWERS to the same people that underfunded "neighborhood" and "recreation" projects FOR DECADES. But, of course, since Sharpe promised him he could have his Hip Skip Hop Rock Clock "Cultural" Center, then suddenly he was all for it. WTF is going to be in a Hip Hop Center? 3 pictures of Run-DMC with the overhead musc system playing their hit song, "You're Blind. No, you can't see. You betta wear some glasses like DMC."

2. The man RAS replaced, a man that Ras said that HE best represented his values, Donald Tucker (who himself had many flaws), would have NEVER signed off on this type of bullsh!t theftl.

However, I, for one, have NEVER singled out Ras. But Ras gets some attention because he is the newest and yet he acted like the verterans. In other words, Newarkers expected the other halfwit Council crooks to sign off on this, but it was a bit of a surprise TO THEM (not to me) at how far Ras had drifted.

hardball
03-06-2006, 06:58 PM
This has nothing to do with Booker and you know it. This "last straw" by your pops is forcing many to jump ship. Don't forget, pack light close when you go to Virginia...it is always a little warmer down there. BTW, you didn't put up much of a fight.

...this has everything to do w/booker....cause all of y'all dickriders(and that is what you are)....run this fake ass site......y'all want to attack ras b/c y'all support old ass(what???....she's not old) mildred crump.....it's politics....plain & simple.....so don't deny that you are a "bookerite".....b/c it is true....

Doofus1
03-06-2006, 06:58 PM
Hardball, the challenges to Mr. Baraka in this thread are pretty focused--why did he vote for the $80 million feeding frenzy. He's here, standing up for his position. Many disagree with him. Your standing up for him carries little weight without an articulated basis for why Mr. Baraka was right in doing what he did. So my question is to you: Why was it the right thing to do? No other candidate can answer that question, as Mr. Baraka is the one that actually voted for the deals.

hardball
03-06-2006, 07:04 PM
Two reasons for the "attack" - although I would call it, POINTING OUT THE HYPOCRACY.

1. Ras has always positioned himself as being a man of the people; a man that advocated the peoples' input in all matters. Surely the Ras of '94 would have never voted YES to 80 MILLION DOLLARS on 48 HOURS NOTICE and GIVEN UNCHECKED POWERS to the same people that underfunded "neighborhood" and "recreation" projects FOR DECADES. But, of course, since Sharpe promised him he could have his Hip Skip Hop Rock Clock "Cultural" Center, then suddenly he was all for it. WTF is going to be in a Hip Hop Center? 3 pictures of Run-DMC with the overhead musc system playing their hit song, "You're Blind. No, you can't see. You betta wear some glasses like DMC."

2. The man RAS replaced, a man that he said that HE (Ras) best represented his values, Donald Tucker (who himself has many flaws), would have NEVER signed off on this type of bullsh!t deal.

However, I, for one, have NEVER singled out Ras. But Ras gets some attention because he is the newest and yet he acted like the verterans. In other words, Newarkers expected the other halfwit Council crooks to sign off on this, but it was a bit of a surprise TO THEM (not to me) at how far Ras had drifted.


how do you know how ras or tucker would have voted???....under what assumption are you operarting under???....and what hip-hop center are you talking about????....there is no proposal for a hip-hop center....you are just making things up....telling lies on the net....that's all.....and as for a deal that promises a hip-hop center that was never proposed that is not true as well.....
.....you are a wonderful exapmle of the liars/lies that permiate that sucker ass site daily......who are you???/what is your name....it's time to expose you guys....

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 07:10 PM
Hardup,

You're getting desperate and angry BECAUSE we are speaking truth to power. This is what happens when regimes fall. You should enjoy learning a valuable lesson.

I've been on this site for quite some time and I pride myself on not being labeled - unlike your dumb a$$. Your only attempt (and a bad one at that) to stop the fact that the Council STOLE 80 MILLION DOLLARS is to TRY to reduce it to politics. The reason you do this is because that's YOUR mentality. Here's the Double Truth, Ruth: The only people that SUPPORT this 80,000,000 DOLLAR SCAM are those that are POLITICAL. It surely didn't come from the people.

And try as you might, I'd like for you to deal with the 10 issues as mentioned in "Shall We March." Hating Newarkspeaks because it doesn't fall in line with your hegemonic propaganda and the dullards that follow it, is not going to stop the truth from coming out. I'm sorry if the Internet has thrown a monkeywrench in your usual stealing schemes. Technology does that people.

Happy Trails. Email your resume: I will update it for you. Remember, we all gotz to eat

Note: I don't NEED to lie. Ras was promisd his Hip Skip Hop Whatever Cultural Center. That's why he voted for this sh!t. Sorry to burst your bubble.

hardball
03-06-2006, 07:11 PM
Hardball, the challenges to Mr. Baraka in this thread are pretty focused--why did he vote for the $80 million feeding frenzy. He's here, standing up for his position. Many disagree with him. Your standing up for him carries little weight without an articulated basis for why Mr. Baraka was right in doing what he did. So my question is to you: Why was it the right thing to do? No other candidate can answer that question, as Mr. Baraka is the one that actually voted for the deals.

...what is the right thing to do???.....get the money & spend it wisely....and many DO NOT disagree w/him....a few of you disagree w/him....& all of you guys work together.....it's only about 5-7 people....don't make it sound like it's a loud public uproar when there is none.....the fact is the vast majority of people in this town support ras.....and are in support of this neighborhood money....

.....as for the weight i carry....whatever i say carries weight son.....don't tell me how much weight my words carry.....i tell you.....

.....you bushy/corny negros make me sick.....you always think you are smarter than everyone else......

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 07:13 PM
Hardup,

Your denial will soon end. Bruh, instead of crying about this site because we don't bend over to Sharpe and this merry band of thieves, you should be trying to figure out how to fix Newark.

Happy Trails.

hardball
03-06-2006, 07:13 PM
Hardup,

You're getting desperate and angry BECAUSE we are speaking truth to power. This is what happens when regimes fall. You should enjoy learning a valuable lesson.

I've been on this site for quite some time and I pride myself on not being labeled - unlike your dumb a$$. Your only attempt (and a bad one at that) to stop the fact that the Council STOLE 80 MILLION DOLLARS is to TRY to reduce it to politics. The reason you do this is because that's YOUR mentality. Here's the Double Truth, Ruth: The only people that SUPPORT this 80,000,000 DOLLAR SCAM are those that are POLITICAL. It surely didn't come from the people.

And try as you might, I'd like for you to deal with the 10 issues as mentioned in "Shall We March." Hating Newarkspeaks because it doesn't fall in line with your hegemonic propaganda and the dullards that follow it, is not going to stop the truth from coming out. I'm sorry if the Internet has thrown a monkeywrench in your usual stealing schemes. Technology does that people.

Happy Trails. Email your resume: I will update it for you. Remember, we all gotz to eat

Note: I don't NEED to lie. Ras was promisd his Hip Skip Hop Whatever Cultural Center. That's why he voted for this sh!t. Sorry to burst your bubble.

.....you are a liar...provide proof...what is your???/who are you????

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 07:17 PM
Hardup,

You're losing it buddy. I'm sorry if I don't obey the commandments as spoken by the current crooks. I apologize for having MY OWN MIND and the ability to express myself when I see, eh, 80 F&^KIN MILLION DOLLARS pi$$ed away in 48 hours. You can look at my post in "Shall We March" if you'd like to look at the amazing hypocracies and illegalitie of this deal.

Note: Why would I lie about a Skip Hip Hopey Dopey Hop "Cultural" Center?

hardball
03-06-2006, 07:19 PM
Hardup,

Your denial will soon end. Bruh, instead of crying about this site because we don't bend over to Sharpe and this merry band of thieves, you should be trying to figure out how to fix Newark.

Happy Trails.

....i am a teacher in newark....i fix newark everyday....plus i never voted for sharpe in my life....mr. knowitall....i know never stole either....and i don't cry.....but this site is dedicated to making booker mayor.....there aint nothing wrong w/it....unless you deny it.....just be honest.....you can't....

.....but when i see y'all negros come out the bush attacking my man like so....well....let me say....i didn't dig it....

hardball
03-06-2006, 07:20 PM
Hardup,

You're losing it buddy. I'm sorry if I don't obey the commandments as spoken by the current crooks. I apologize for having MY OWN MIND and the ability to express myself when I see, eh, 80 F&^KIN MILLION DOLLARS pi$$ed away in 48 hours. You can look at my post in "Shall We March" if you'd like to look at the amazing hypocracies and illegalitie of this deal.

Note: Why would I lie about a Skip Hip Hopey Dopey Hop "Cultural" Center?

....you lie b/c that is your role in this campaign.....run this site.....put out lies/proganda on your political enemies....please don't play victim him....you lie b/c that is your job....

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 07:26 PM
Forum Members,

You see the desperation. I've been called many things, but LIAR is not one that I don't think many would attach to me.

The difference between me and you, HardShill, is that I speak truth to power. I love Newark more than any candidate. I love democracy more than the lies, stealing and crooks that incubate inside Newark's government.

I'm being serious: what you are experencing is what all regimes experience when they crumble. Suddenly, the lies of the past don't con the people; the people are not satisfied with the excuses and shows that distract attention. At the end of the day, when Ras and many other incumbents will be defeated WON'T be caused by ME; it will be caused by the people.

Note: Please don't try to play dumb about you NOT knowing how Tucker would have voted on the THEFT FUND. DT had an EXTENSIVE record when it came these types of deals. There aren't many days until you have to vacate the premises. Are you prepared?

Doofus1
03-06-2006, 07:33 PM
.....as for the weight i carry....whatever i say carries weight son.....don't tell me how much weight my words carry.....i tell you.....


Geez, a bit defensive. But I haven't been called "son" in quite a few years. It makes me feel young. Thanks.

hardball
03-06-2006, 07:40 PM
Forum Members,

You see the desperation. I've been called many things, but LIAR is not one that I don't think many would attach to me.

The difference between me and you, HardShill, is that I speak truth to power. I love Newark more than any candidate. I love democracy more than the lies, stealing and crooks that incubate inside Newark's government.

I'm being serious: what you are experencing is what all regimes experience when they crumble. Suddenly, the lies of the past don't con the people; the people are not satisfied with the excuses and shows that distract attention. At the end of the day, when Ras and many other incumbents will be defeated WON'T be caused by ME; it will be caused by the people.



Note: Please don't try to play dumb about you NOT knowing how Tucker would have voted on the THEFT FUND. DT had an EXTENSIVE record when it came these types of deals. There aren't many days until you have to vacate the premises. Are you prepared?

....first of all....ras is not a part of anyone's regime.....sharpe/cory.....you still have provided no factual credibal basis for your lies....
....only a narrow-mined dumbass could clain to love newark more than any else.....please tell me how you look into a person's heart.....that's what i'm talking 'bout when i say you guys think you're smarter than everyone else.....

...about tucker.....the city has help fund his center for many years now....so maybe he would have voted for the money....b/c without a doubt the center would and wil receive funding....butno one knows how he would have voted.....lastly i've asked you a few questions....and you answer none....

LastCubanStanding
03-06-2006, 08:06 PM
....i am a teacher in newark....i fix newark everyday....plus i never voted for sharpe in my life....mr. knowitall....i know never stole either....and i don't cry.....but this site is dedicated to making booker mayor.....there aint nothing wrong w/it....unless you deny it.....just be honest.....you can't....

.....but when i see y'all negros come out the bush attacking my man like so....well....let me say....i didn't dig it....


I hope you don't teach English. God help us all if you are molding our future leaders.

NEWARK SPEAKS
03-06-2006, 08:17 PM
...this has everything to do w/booker....cause all of y'all dickriders(and that is what you are)....run this fake ass site......y'all want to attack ras b/c y'all support old ass(what???....she's not old) mildred crump.....it's politics....plain & simple.....so don't deny that you are a "bookerite".....b/c it is true....Please refrain from using profanity on Newark Speaks. Your criticisms, disagreements and heated debates are o.k. but we would like to maintain a community without using such language.

ForNwk
03-06-2006, 08:21 PM
Thanks to the Councilman for responding to the questions posed. Hopefully other councilpersons will accept the invitation to answer the question also although after reading this thread I'm not too sure they will want to come on here. While this could have been a perfect opportunity to get some detailed answers from Ras as to what actually happened, what he plans to do with the money in his ward if re-elected and where we "together" should go from here the thread has diminished into a name-calling match. I saw where someone said Ras was interested in a Hip Hop Center. Instead of speculating and accusing this question could have been posed to him to answer directly. Opportunities don't come as often as people think. Sometimes it seems like we can be our own worst enemies.

AKAladyjustice
03-06-2006, 08:24 PM
I hope you don't teach English. God help us all if you are molding our future leaders.You took the words right out of my mouth. Still, I understand how someone would be so indigent about this Ras movement to make you loose some of your composure. There's no one out there right now with more cred' than Ras, and I do mean ERRBodi' too!

What is up with all of this Ras bashing, it's crazy, particularly coming from the same folks that defend Booker. Please. And, insulting the man's father is nuts, and as a student and mentee of the Black Arts Movement I for one take that shi! very personally. Chief Azzhole, before you go talking about someone's father, you ought to work that out in therapy and stop blaming everyone else because your father is pissed that you weren't just a stain on his sheets.

For the rest of you, how can some of you take yourselve so seriously when you haven't even hiccupped about the fact that two people on Booker's ticket have egg on their faces too. At least pretend to be sincere with your bullshi!. :cool:

I don't think that this deal was necessarily the right thing to do, but I certainly don't think that you can make this about Ras, solely the problem. If you want to be outraged, be outraged and that includes ERRbodi' like I said earlier. Ras at least has the integrity to come on here and respond to people, where's Booker.

TE2, in another thread you called me a Booker supporter. :mad: Be forewarned brother, may your tongue spontaneously combust if ya' eva' again make that mistake again.

Ask Why
03-06-2006, 08:38 PM
I find it hard to believe that anyone could believe that more cops and firefighters would solve the problems in our communities. The crime is not the root of the problem. We need to develop the people in the community, not by policing them, but by giving them alternatives to their current lifestyles. We must provide programs and services in the community that will fill the voids left by broken homes, lack of education, lack of opportunity, and low incomes. We need to work on solutions.

I would think that maybe those of you who are concerned about how this money will be spent should either try to get on the boards of one or both of these organizations or attend their meetings, which I am sure will fall under the sunshine laws, and should therefore be open to the public.

LastCubanStanding
03-06-2006, 08:46 PM
I for one take that shi! very personally. Chief Azzhole, before you go talking about someone's father, you ought to work that out in therapy and stop blaming everyone else because your father is pissed that you weren't just a stain on his sheets.



Nice mouth. You eat that vegetarian stuff with that mouth? :D

LastCubanStanding
03-06-2006, 08:49 PM
I find it hard to believe that anyone could believe that more cops and firefighters would solve the problems in our communities.

When the existing police force isn't larger enough to answer calls for service in a timely fashion, you need more cops. Pretty simple. You're putting the cart in front of the horse....need to get the City under control before anything else is suggested.

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 08:54 PM
AskAgain,

How come we have FEWER police in 2006 than we had in 2002? How come we have more than 20% FEWER firefighters in 2006 than we had in 2002? I could SEE if you were talking about some sort of build up in forces to some extreme, but that logic FLIES in the face of reality. Crime is WORSE today than it was then and we have FEWER police officers. We have LESS safety. We're not talking about a "police state"; that's a ruse put out by you guys. We're talking about BASIC stuff; you know, the stuff that MOST OTHERS in NJ take for granted. We're talking about fighting back against the more than 50 OPEN AIR drug markets that operate in the same place at the same time every day of the week. We're talking about the crackheads who's only way out is DEATH. You do realize that that IS our city's policy, right? We're talking about having enough firefighters and WORKING FIRE HYDRANTS to provide basic safety. And just in case you haven't noticed, the number of illegal conversions is on the rise. I don't know how many houses I see that have 6 and 7 and 8 doorbells on them.

So please can you deal with reality? We have more gangs, more shootings, more murders and fewer cops. More drugs, more violence, more open air drug markets AND FEWER COPS. Does that make sense to you? It surely doesn't make sense to me!

WassupNwk
03-06-2006, 08:56 PM
it is great to see you, mr. baraka, join the forum. only one person made a negative reference about your father. it is regrettable, however, don't blow it out of proportion and make it an issue to cloud the "VOTE."

respectfully, you still haven't shed reasonable light as a response for the council's rushed vote on $80M because frankly there isn't one. no one can hold that against you because this is the position you set yourself up to confront. unlike others, confront you have, but without success because this is an indefensible position to be in. the truth is the truth. a man lives by believing something; not by debating and arguing about many things. you responded all over the place. you are articulate, no doubt about that. however, this issue has revealed you let your principles take a wayward trip.

the community is used to seeing a different mr. baraka. you don't sound the same defending this issue. you may not have changed, but this issue you compromised. 5Reasons made a great argument that the council can't even roll out a budget on time. the standard has become to approve a budget 11 months into the fiscal year. who is the leader of this awful display of business principles? 11 ... yes ... 11 months after the start of a fiscal year. how much could $80M help the budget? if dollars are being spent improperly during the year, then the team (mayor and council) must work to correct that bad practice. doesn't anyone in city hall get it that they don't know how to balance a budget?

the entire existence of the city is based on metrics that dictate direction and purpose. instead we dip into any bucket of dollars to fill budget gaps. in an election year with the mayor's fate undecided, everyone in their "wisdom" decides to move $80M on a whim. notice that march 16th is approaching and mr. james must declare or become a lame duck. it was imperative that this theft be carried out before march 16th, and it was. it was RUSHED like mad. other qualified board members could have been selected to give legitimacy to the rushed vote. instead the non-council members of the boards announced they had yet to decide to be part of the newly formed non-profits. funny how none of the council members made the same assertion.

who can direct when all pretend to know? the citizens are expressing overwhelming disapproval of the $80M heist. it is disrespectful and condescending to be dismissive of how your employer feels about you. voters hire politicians through their vote to get the job done. you ascended to your at-large position through other circumstances. therefore, you are now filling in shoes that are accountable to the people. you missed an opportunity to be a different type of leader. we are disappointed in you because you promoted yourself as a different type of leader. you created expectations, and your fell down at the first real test against the tired history of corruption in the city. your job performance is the issue, not your personal existence. i think the forum has conducted itself respectful for the most part. you are a politician, and have been treated far worse by your peers. you are a city leader, the problem is you aren't used to being held accountable. this is 2006 and the city is tired of being repeatedly assaulted. you should be thinking about future decisions, because this one will stick with you for life.

AKAladyjustice
03-06-2006, 08:57 PM
Nice mouth. You eat that vegetarian stuff with that mouth? :DNot a vegan, just had some salmon for diinner; I am a lactarian. I just dont appreciate that level of disrespect for someone's father, particularly a man who is the father of BAM, ESPECIALLY COMING FROM WHITE FOLKS. Let's not go down that road, please. :mad: I am not standing for it.

See Cuban, this is what happens when I don't go to yoga. I missed class to get my car a tuneup tonight, and look what happened. :D

AKAladyjustice
03-06-2006, 09:05 PM
By the way, Ras, brother, welcome to the forum. I am glad you decided to join. Having you aboard will make things more interesting, I am sure.

You are a member of a very (very) small minority of public officials who have done so. Although you will find that many of these posters are veiled Bookerites, if not outright Booker followers, this forum is still nevertheless a good place by and large to debate the issues. You will, however, have to tune out the occasional race hecklers who will use this forum to denigrate Black life and culture, but otherwise it can be useful.

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 09:55 PM
You guys are so misinformed and Maximus just say you have trouble reading the posts. There is so much misinformation that it takes a minute to straighten you out. Criminal? A slush fund? You guys need to stick to the facts. I have been telling you the facts that you refuse to hear. I guess it does not fit in to your small boxes.

And the event at Weequahic had nothing to do with the Mayor. I was not going to allow it to turn in to a political event or grandstanding. Someone lost their life and it was selfish to turn it in to a post like this. But of course you people have no regard for that.

And when the murders were happening in the city I was actually out on the streets trying to prevent more murder and talking to families and kids all over the city. I dont have the luxury to sit around and post messages w/o any real effort to be a part of the solution. I still speak the truth the problem is you dont like what I am saying.

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 10:09 PM
Why do you guys insist on innuendo and lies. The Mayor never promised me anything. A Hip Hop Center how moronic and juvenile. I voted for the money beccause we need it in our community. Maybe you guys can afford to go back and forth with this Sharpe v. Cory scenario but for most of us it is a waste of time. Booker has his shills as well. He wants to control the Council as you criticize the Mayor for wanting to do. And since you have questions I have some of my own. No one had a comment about my vote until I wrote an editorial in the Star ledger. What is the relationship of the Star Ledger to Newark speaks? What is the relationship of the Bradley foundation and the Manhattan Institute to Cory Booker? The Bradley foundation that funds E3, and Charles Murray's Bell Curve, which puts forth the idea tha Blacks and Latinos are genetically inferior. Do you consider yourself shills? Maximus do you even know what happened in the 60's? Can you articulate a position on anything short of name calling? 5 Reasons you put out your opinions as facts and you hide behind this veil of reason when I havent heard one thing from you that resembles the truth. If you have real questions come see me, talk to me, criticize in a principled fashion, my office is at 570A Clinton Avenue or come to Weequahic High. I look forward to an adult discussion. And finally there are plenty of problems in our city that need to be addressed. We need money for everything and whenever we get our hands on some funds eveyone knows what to do with it, and when its not done they scream negligence, crime etc. this is weak. You say we need more police I say we need community development. In fact more police does not translate in to less crime. it is arguable that crime can be affected more by employment, recreation, and community development. living wages and self esteem is more of a deterrent to crime than more police. Mybe we need less captains and more officers, and more officers that are healthy and that are not on sick leave moonlighting at banks and private developments. Get the facts!

HereIstand
03-06-2006, 10:21 PM
Lastly for tonight I agree the Council needs to put a budget out on time and I am fighting to make that happen. But what does one have to do with the other. Becasue they cant get the budget out on time we need to hold off on community development. You people are very upset about this I wish you was more upset about other things. Where were any of you people when I was organizing to end gang violence on the streets. I needed help. Where were any of you in my fight to stop these 3 and 4 family homes from going up with out adequate nieghborhood planning and low income housing. Where are you now as we fight for the right to speak before the council, or jobs on these construction sites. If yu want to march, march against poverty and on these construction sites for employment for Newark residents. March against the SCC and the refusal to build our schools. There is alot to march about this is surely at the bottom of the list.

Klap Bak
03-06-2006, 10:51 PM
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Ask Why
03-06-2006, 10:55 PM
Thank you Ras for taking the time to let your voice be heard on this forum. I often read the posts and realize that many of the people that post sometime don't have a clue as to how things work in government. It is not as easy as it seems. We support you in your efforts. Please stay strong and never stop speaking truth to power.

5Reasons
03-06-2006, 10:59 PM
AskAgain,

Can you at least address the issues in my post? Why are there 15% FEWER police today than there were in 2002? Why are there 20% FEWER firefighter than 4 years ago?

When I ask these questions and more, as when I question the thieves for creating two slush funds totaling 80 MILLION DOLLARS, I too am truly speaking truth to power. I want you to know, Ask, that I go to sleep every night knowing that I'm not bought by anyone. It's a great feeling speaking truth to power. I hope you try it.

hardball
03-06-2006, 11:48 PM
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....you are the biggest sucker on this site....my name is juba dowdell....holla if you know me......don't even try to begin to play me.....who are you???....do i know you????....i am not running for office....no one is voting for me.....i don't have to be diplomatic

ChiefAziz
03-07-2006, 02:47 AM
My is name is Keith Aziz Hamilton. Where is the sheath? See the difference is we will not hide and cower like others. and we are not afraid to say who we are. we can debate. lets put it out there so that the people can see the Clean glass from the dirty glass... As Malcolm used to say. Your first, second and third posts on this site fall deep into the abyss of plagiaristic dossiers ,,,, I quietly told you that on your first. Your quest for board members to propose something new and innovative should start within yourself.
Where is the plagiarism?
I put out the People's Platform. Is that a little too politically astute for some of you? You see some of us actually to read about, and study politics, economics and sociology. Some of us have the ability to come together and discuss, debate, and plan what it is that We the People of Our City would like to do in the best interest for the residents of this City. Ultimately it is about the ideas. If you disagree then do so, that is your right. But bring something else to the table, Something poisitive and uplifting. not (and please forgive me for coming down a few levels) haterism.
He did not come from some other place. He and his family have been here thru good and bad times. So has my family. and I believe that we love this city, and will do right by it and its people always.
Ras is my brother and my friend. I am no ones shill. there is no sheath here. I respect him, and I will stand with him wherever he goes. Not only because I believe in his leadership. But but he is willing to stand like so many before him. He will get his nails dirty. He will fight. the question is will any of you?

Chief Azzhole, before you go talking about someone's father, you ought to work that out in therapy and stop blaming everyone else because your father is pissed that you weren't just a stain on his sheets. AkaLadyJustice? are you referring to me? you need to reread the post... I would never say anything disrespectful about Imamu Amiri Baraka.

Klap Bak
03-07-2006, 07:22 AM
If you feel it necessary to put a name out there so that your message is now clear,,,,, fine. If that is the psychosomatic path your brain must take to attain some personal, divine clarity, good for you. I applaud you.

If you assume that everyone on this board must do the same, you seriously need to grab a few more sessions on the couch. The rest of the world does not operate by your personal rules and or dictates. If any of us were able to create those dictates then Chaneyfield’s mindset would have ruled and we would not be having this discussion. Did Malcolm mean a name or a message? Please do not misconstrue the words of our good brother to spew your narcissistic proclamations.


Everyone knows and has seen the demented patterns of evildoers in this City. In the lead up to the 2002 elections thousands of Home Owners in this City had their private property invaded by those (including LaQuan Dent ….. you know Mustafa’s brother) carrying out the mindset of a dictator who insisted that no one should have a Cory Booker Sign around their home. Hundreds of Home Owners and Business Owners we set upon by Inspectors carrying out missions of reprisal for openly supporting Booker. Many enjoy the anonymity of the board because it is an opportunity for them to express what they know without being accosted by purveyors of evil. And do not assume that everyone is afraid of being accosted. There are those of us who would rather not have to retaliate. Not everyone thinks that the concept of jail is good.

If you wish to make and outcry regarding the need for anonymity, make it to the people who created that need. Look to your left and to your right, they sit beside you. If you are unable to handle the pressures of our forum flexibility feel free to go the way you came.

Klap Bak
03-07-2006, 07:36 AM
....you are the biggest sucker on this site....my name is juba dowdell....holla if you know me......don't even try to begin to play me.....who are you???....do i know you????....i am not running for office....no one is voting for me.....i don't have to be diplomatic


…….. about if you are running for office Sir, just the fact that you teach our kids. Read what you write, it is a frightening concept.

Proper decorum generally follows teachers where ever they go. It is hard for them to switch it on and off since it is such a great part of their life.

You have either found the magic portion to make that switch or our kids are subject to what you display here.

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Doofus1
03-07-2006, 07:54 AM
I note that Mr. Baraka's supporters complain that he is receiving an unfair share of criticism of the vote. That is probably true. Amador and the rest (other than Chaneyfield) are equally cupable. Mr. Baraka should recognize, however, that many on this board had high hopes that he was better than the rest of the do-nothings.

newarkismyhome
03-07-2006, 08:55 AM
I want to thank Ras for coming in here and posting. Alot of you all with 500 and 1000 posts get on here and rant to the choir, but have nothing constructive to say when you are presented with real facts from someone who has to make real decisions.

captain jim, you have been exposed as a rumor starter and complainer with no real facts or solutions. You spend an awful lot of time on this board, use it more wisely.

5 reasons you position yourself as an insider, but you spread false info about a hip hop center and attack with no factual basis.

Maximus, you are a loser. You rant on here all year and when a councilman comes in to share truth, you cut off all discussion by resorting to 3rd grade name calling. So sad. Is that all you have to offer?

On one hand, there needs to be a separation from legislation, fundraising, and office holding. Until that happens, and until people understand what the council's real job is, many of the misinformation and frustration will continue.

I suggest you posters use this opportunity to LEARN about why the council made those decisions and what the future holds.

Ras I have some specific questions:

Is any of the 30 million going to the at large council people? (30 mil split 5 ways is 6 mil)

Were the votes for the 80 mil unanimous? Who voted which way?

Which councilpeople will sit on the oversight boards of the new non profit organizations?

Is anyone from newark running against cory for mayor or ware we just going to hand the city over to the slick talker with nice commercials?

5Reasons
03-07-2006, 09:07 AM
Newarkismyhome,

I've been on this forum for a long time and I participate because I love my town. I'm not bought and owned. And unlike you, I don't have to give reverance to thieves and those that act within their own self-interest. What motivation would I have to lie about a Hip Skip Hop Center? No matter what spin they use, as they desperately try to attach words like "neighborhood" and "recreation" to their theft/slush funds, there is ALWAYS the facts. No spin that they offer up can explain away why this was rushed in 48-hours to fund TWO nonprofits that didn't even exist WITH NO PUBLIC COMMMENT. There is no spin for that. That alone is why this deal is currupt. But again, I've posted other reasons why this deal is a midnight going away present for the crooks and thieves that are leaving office and are out to steal everything that's not nailed to the ground.

I'm sorry if the hegemony of the machine, their constant lies, their pseudo-community activism, all the while they are getting rich off of Newark, falls down at Newarkspeaks. Forgive me for not bowing to the crooks and incompetents that voted to fund this thing for their own self-interest. These guys wanted to run around town with their theft fund so that they could promise it away to nonprofits that would do their bidding. That's all. That's why this was rushed because on March 16th we'll know that the King has no clothes.

I will never bow to the lies from the thieves that have robbed this city blind. I will never yield to their psuedo-intimidation tactics. I will never STOP speaking truth to power. You see, that's what's so disturbing to this machine. They've been so used to duping the people for so long that they just aren't used to people talking back. Well guess what, thieves? The people are talking back. Now the Incompetent Council has to ask themselves a question? Is this mega-hiest worth it? Is it worth losing it all? For Sharpe James and his cronies? Those crooks have already gotten rich off this city. No one should have to give them anything else.

Final note: Please don't give Ras too much credit for coming on this forum. He's doing it for the same reason he voted for the theft funds - SELF-PRESERVATION. He understands that this 48-hour no public input midnight slush fund to appropriate 80 MILLION DOLLARS to two organizations that don't even exist would show the hypocracy between his projected "peoples image" and what he has become - yet another politician that will abandon his principles for the right amount.

NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

DAMN MAN, HAVEN'T YOU STOLEN ENOUGH???

JoefromPGH
03-07-2006, 09:12 AM
I think the bottom line is that the Council should have waited until after the elections AND should have welcomed public comment. In the end, the funds going to the neighborhoods is a WONDERFUL thing but the rush...why the rush???? That is what is freaking out most of the posters here and anyone else that has an opinion.

I forsee a clean sweep in May. This was the final straw!

Poet
03-07-2006, 09:15 AM
Hardball, the challenges to Mr. Baraka in this thread are pretty focused--why did he vote for the $80 million feeding frenzy. He's here, standing up for his position. Many disagree with him. Your standing up for him carries little weight without an articulated basis for why Mr. Baraka was right in doing what he did. So my question is to you: Why was it the right thing to do? No other candidate can answer that question, as Mr. Baraka is the one that actually voted for the deals.

There is nothing that Ras can say that will be justifiable to you all yet he still took the time to bother posting something on Newarkspeaks.com, AKA Bookerspeaks.com, AKA Bookeraintsaid$hityet.com. And for that you all start slinging names and insults and disrespect to a brother who handled this discussion with the same level of honesty and respect as your site's golden boy who can do no wrong Ron Rice Jr.

Give me a break. You all support hypocracy every damn day. A brother tries to talk to you all and you cannot even agree to disagree. Don't matter no way because y'all suburban $hit talkers cant vote in this election anyway. So shut up with the bull$hit and do something then. But do not question that Ras Baraka IS MORE QUALIFIED THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE AND INCUMBENT IN THE RACE (ayight--may be a tie with Ron. Decisions still out on that).

Ras, good looks on taking the time to defend yourself brotherman. No doubt. You are appreciated for doing what most other folks in the running cant seem to be bothered with doing. At least you respect the voice of the people (even if it is these people) to engage in a discussion.

Hardball (JD)--whatup brothah! Nice to see you sticking up for the real. Respect!

newarkismyhome
03-07-2006, 09:48 AM
Newarkismyhome,

I've been on this forum for a long time

I Know. :D

What motivation would I have to lie about a Hip Skip Hop Center?

Please state your SOURCE for this info and if it checks out, I'll apologize for calling you a liar.

I've posted other reasons why this deal is a midnight going away present for the crooks and thieves that are leaving office and are out to steal everything that's not nailed to the ground.

Is Baraka in this group you speak of? NO!

their pseudo-community activism, all the while they are getting rich off of Newark.

If you know ANYTHING about Baraka, you would know this comment can be counstrued as libel.

They've been so used to duping the people for so long that they just aren't used to people talking back. Well guess what, thieves? The people are talking back. Now the Incompetent Council has to ask themselves a question? Is this mega-hiest worth it? Is it worth losing it all?

The first part is true, but the second part sounds like you are quoting a movie, lol.

Final note: Please don't give Ras too much credit for coming on this forum.

This is what you want. You want a place to rant where no one challenges what you say. Unfortunately, when you are presented with facts and reasons, you don't process that info and move forward with further analysis and deeper questioning. How do you propose a solution? How is dialogue fostered?

He's doing it for the same reason he voted for the theft funds - SELF-PRESERVATION.

If you think Ras feels like he needs to justify his actions on this forum for self preservation, then you are more delusional than I thought. Most voters in Newark never heard of newark speaks! Come back to reality.

Poet
03-07-2006, 10:14 AM
Why was it the right thing to do? No other candidate can answer that question, as Mr. Baraka is the one that actually voted for the deals.

What answer are you looking for? The man voted in favor of the $80 Mil to prevent it from going back into the general fund of the city. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. Newark is a City with ridiculous power concentrated with the Mayor. He has determined the direction the life the trends and the failures of this City with little power vested in the council to steer him otherwise. By tucking $80 Mil away, it prevents "the savior of Newark" from coming in and spending all of it for his bull$hit theoretical initiatives that simply cyphons money out of our communities into the hands of outside institutes and firms that give nothing back to our residents but rhetoric. By tucking away $80 Mil now, Booker will have to slow his role out on his plan to spend it. By tucking away $80 mil now, the mayor (again the position that has an tremendous amount of power) is relegated to having one equal vote on how this is spent. We have gotten in this mess because the Mayor was tripping. This may just be a way to slow the next guy's role.

You may not agree so fine that is on you. Agree to disagree and be a part of the process moving forward.

You're getting desperate and angry BECAUSE we are speaking truth to power. This is what happens when regimes fall. You should enjoy learning a valuable lesson.

What POWER?! Are you serious? You call your rants on this website POWER?? youre probably some b!tcha$$ sitting in a cubical spying on your boss in city hall. YOU HAVE NO POWER AND YOU SPEAK NO TRUTH! GET OVER YOURSELF.

And about a cultural center, HOW ABOUT STATING FACTS? Which project are you referring to? Are you talking about the Museum of African American Music that Ras supports? Are you suggesting that a SMITHSONIAN AFFILIATED MUSEUM IN THE HEART OF NEWARK NEW JERSEY IS NOT A POSITIVE THING FOR THIS CITY? Do you have proof that this project will get cash from this deal? Do you have proof that Ras has money for this earmarked? If you do, please share because I know some folks who will be relieved that they dont have to work so hard to raise money to make it happen.

You can't say anything else but lies because YOU HAVE NO PROOF. When you are called out on your lies all you do is deflect instead of addressing them specifically. And yet, you chastise everyone else and their father for the same behavior. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

When the existing police force isn't larger enough to answer calls for service in a timely fashion, you need more cops. Pretty simple. You're putting the cart in front of the horse....need to get the City under control before anything else is suggested.

Before you need more cops you need a better managed police force. We do not know if the problem is the number of cops or the current role and structure of the police force. I do not need more cops if it means they're just going to sit in a patrol car soliciting hookers. but maybe that is just me.



Klap,

Do NOT get it twisted. Mr. Dowdell does more to improve the lives of our children than you EVER did. Maybe if you spent more time in the community doing something other than pushing Booker leaflets you would know that. Juba is an intelligent, articulate and dedicated teacher. Just because he does not practice the laws of literature on this site dont mean nothing. As informally as everyone writes here WHO CARES? Do I think you are an idiot because you put a million periods in your ellipsis points when THREE WILL DO? No. So watch your mouth till you know what it is that you speak.

ProSouth
03-07-2006, 10:15 AM
There is nothing that Ras can say that will be justifiable to you all yet he still took the time to bother posting something on Newarkspeaks.com, AKA Bookerspeaks.com, AKA Bookeraintsaid$hityet.com. And for that you all start slinging names and insults and disrespect to a brother who handled this discussion with the same level of honesty and respect as your site's golden boy who can do no wrong Ron Rice Jr.

Give me a break. You all support hypocracy every damn day. A brother tries to talk to you all and you cannot even agree to disagree. Don't matter no way because y'all suburban $hit talkers cant vote in this election anyway. So shut up with the bull$hit and do something then. But do not question that Ras Baraka IS MORE QUALIFIED THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE AND INCUMBENT IN THE RACE (ayight--may be a tie with Ron. Decisions still out on that).

Ras, good looks on taking the time to defend yourself brotherman. No doubt. You are appreciated for doing what most other folks in the running cant seem to be bothered with doing. At least you respect the voice of the people (even if it is these people) to engage in a discussion.

Hardball (JD)--whatup brothah! Nice to see you sticking up for the real. Respect!This is what so called democracy is suppose to be about. Let's understand, Brother Ras is the only council person to come here and explain what seems from our vantage point as something shaddy. How are we (the people of Newark) suppose to know what's going on if we are not informed. What would have been wonderful is if Brother Ras would have used Newark Speaks as a sounding board for what THE PEOPLE might feel about such doings by the council with OUR MONEY before he cast his vote. Not to say that it would have changed his vote but at least he would have opened himself up to feedback from THE PEOPLE prior to making it. IMHO with over 400 members Newark Speaks would be a huge sounding board for our council (and others) to see what THE PEOPLE think about what they are about to do for us. I don't know of any press release or prior communications that went out to the citizens of Newark regarding this deal? Maybe Brother Ras is correct and everybody else is wrong, but how would we THE PEOPLE know that? You must admit that this thing was presented to us (the people of Newark) f'up. I think the method by which this was presented to the people of Newark left Brother Ras and the rest of the council open for this criticism.

I have known Brother Ras for at least 20 years. I know he does not run from decisions he makes. I would implore upon Ras to use Newark Speaks as a sounding board to educate and inform us (Newark residents) about the actions (or the proposed actions) of the council (especially himself) and to get feedback from us regarding what we think. Heck, I am more than certain that with the collective of intelligence we have here he would get some great ideas and proposals from some of us.

BTW: I am not a Bookerite and never will be.

Klap Bak
03-07-2006, 10:41 AM
Klap,

Do NOT get it twisted. Mr. Dowdell does more to improve the lives of our children than you EVER did. Maybe if you spent more time in the community doing something other than pushing Booker leaflets you would know that. Juba is an intelligent, articulate and dedicated teacher. Just because he does not practice the laws of literature on this site dont mean nothing. As informally as everyone writes here WHO CARES? Do I think you are an idiot because you put a million periods in your ellipsis points when THREE WILL DO? No. So watch your mouth till you know what it is that you speak.

Thank you for highlighting your partners many wonderful attributes. I will do my best during the day to find a single frigging bone in my body that gives a rip. I will update you if I do.

Your assumption that he does more to improve the lives of our children than you I ever did is as wild and far-fetched as your blind support for your candidate. Your words indicated a high degree of dismay at the decision he made (see below). Why the sudden change? Did he offer you a slice of the cheese?

I appreciate your words of warning, I will resist the temptation of telling you to go to he!!.

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Maximus
03-07-2006, 11:44 AM
young "reformer" ends up belly up to the trough like the rest...now wants to play the "angry young man". At least we know what we would have got with Tuckers' son if he could have run for a seat.

HereIstand
03-07-2006, 11:44 AM
I have only known about this site for a few weeks now. I actually don't like to be on these sites because ,while it has the apperance of a democratic forum, It allows people to hurl insults, innuendo, and slander wihtout having to answer to any semblance of facts becasue you can never really challenge people that don't really exist. That being said I have taken the time to read a few posts, and threads throughout the site. I see that some of you are just here, not for genuine discussion and change, but to pundits and operatives for the person of your choice either objectively or subjectively(may be getting paid)

Klap Bak has made remarks aboutme before I even got on this site making reference to the Zoo Crew. So has 5 Reasons. This makes me believe that they have another agenda altogether. while I havent seen much from Klap except unyielding support for Cory without explanation short of being Anti Sharpe( if Sharpe doesnt run she would be in deep trouble) But 5 seems a bit more dangerous to me..

He has said that he was with me in 94 and 98 this is hard to believe because of his Zoo Crew comments As that happened in 97. A woman was killed, shot a point blank range on Clinton Avenue by NPD. She was unarmed I organized ar allly of the people in the area and demanded justice. Some of the bystanders happen to be a part of a group known as the Zoo Crew. I prevented a riot that evening by being on the street talking to people telling them something would be done. We marched of course the police were upset and some still are. Other officers were supportive, but since then they have been tryign to stick me with the Zoo Crew for years. Another lie and feeble attempt to undermine my community work. So if 5 is tryng to hook me up with the Zoo Crew he could've never been with me or he would know better. It seems like their animosity runs deep.
But who is Five?

Maximus
03-07-2006, 11:46 AM
But 5 seems a bit more dangerous to me..

A thinking black man is always dangerous to the status quo.

jazzyken
03-07-2006, 12:13 PM
Okay I have been gone for one night and look what happens... your male egos get out of whack :p AKA, you are supposed to hold them down :D

Anyway, Ras welcome to the forum. We really appreciate your presence. And eventhough this may not be a good topic for your first posts... it is great you came anyway!!

Ras you are getting a lot of slack for this vote only because everyone thought you would be the one to vote "no", but you didn't. They assumed that you would be the one voice to speak up against this "shaddy" deal, but you didn't. And I understand your "thoughts" that this money would "disappear" if you guys didn't vote yes but honestly would it... You are the City Council! You are in charge of the budget for the City of Newark. If the money disappeared then it would fall on you guys anyway, right :rolleyes: .
What was the rush on this decision??? You offer the residents to speak at the meetings now... but why was there not a meeting to decide the funds in the first place??? It is after the fact!!!

To some posters (do not have time to look at names ;) ),
For some strange reason everytime Sharpe James (the Honorable Mayor of the City of Newark) makes a bad decision or says something truely stupid like "They ain't shootin at me", it turns into a Bookerite this and a James basher that... WHY!!! John does that all the time... it drives me nuts. Why can't James and his supporters stand up for their good and BAD decisions, quotes and "shaddy" deals. This deal has absolutely nothing to do with Booker, but there are several posts in regards to Booker. Sharpe presented the deal to the council and the council took the bait. Now we have to deal with it!!! Nothing to do with Booker!
Now we should all give Ras a little slack here. Take it easy on him. I think he really believes he did the right thing!!!

The entire city council is to blame... and we should make them realize it 80 million times!!! Talk with you when I get back from a meeting I am already late for :eek:
Jazzy

Klap Bak
03-07-2006, 12:23 PM
Klap Bak has made remarks aboutme before I even got on this site making reference to the Zoo Crew. So has 5 Reasons. This makes me believe that they have another agenda altogether. while I havent seen much from Klap except unyielding support for Cory without explanation short of being Anti Sharpe( if Sharpe doesnt run she would be in deep trouble) But 5 seems a bit more dangerous to me..

You are heading in the right direction.

RACEMATTERS
03-07-2006, 12:55 PM
Ras and my brother Juba welcome...I welcome you both to the site and applaud you Ras for taking the courage and time to come on this site knowing you will have to defend yourself.

But as I read your comments and others... my question like others is this: Why not defend you position of community involvement like in the 90's. That was what the entire "hearing of citizens" led by you was all about. Ensuring that Newarkers were heard first before a systematic decision like this one was decided.

I was shocked because I know and defended with others this right for community participation and attended council mtgs with you fighting for this right. There is nothing more important than residents being informed and giving input to our elected officials prior to a vote being decided. Instead it appears that the decision was already made either in the mayors office or a special conference mtg with no Newark input.

So for clarification purposes...please enlighten us on this forum why you decided to push this without coming to the streets first?

Thank you!

Your sister.

HereIstand
03-07-2006, 01:06 PM
5 suggested that he was with me in 94 and 98 I find that hard to believe since he made comments about the Zoo Crew.Anyone that was with me would know the entire story behind the Zoo Crew and would not have fallen for propaganda. This was a pscyop from start to finish. Designed to undermine my community activity.

But seriously 5 reminds me of a guy I met at Howard University named Steve Coakley. He would lecture at the University at student sponsored events. he came to his lectures carryig at least 15 books each time. This gave the illusion that he was an academic but worse that he knew what he was saying and that it was gospel. He would tell stories of the Boule and other secret societies. he would mesmorize us with stories of espionage and strange entagled partners and groupings. He even spoke ill of some of our professors and had us on warpaths. Unfortunately, I found out that some of the information that he had given us were complete fabrications, but it made the sessions that much more interesting. He pushed his opinion on us like they were fact and we ran with them forming little groups of our own regurgitating more secret information, becoming more paranoid and more cynical. The problems were always to big and to massive to deal with straight on. Later I was introduced to Dubois, Robeson, Walter Rodney, and so on and realized that struggle was protracted and it was won little by little through study, organization, research of facts, and agitation. Not through wild stories, emotionalism, and witch hunts. I realized that our struggle was with ideas not individuals. that we get tired of one person we get rid of him but the ideas remain, but becasue we never discuss ideas only people we never get to the crux of the problem. We believe the problem lies with that person it does not, atleast not entirely. WE though that white peole were the only problem we elected black people we were wrong, or not completely right. the danger in this is that we will always be looking for a savior instead of consistently organizing. I also realized that some peole get paid to push us from one place to the other becasue some of us have lazy thinking. We refuse to arrive at our own conclusions on our own terms and debate those ideas right or wrong. EVerytime on this forum when we get to ideas they are overshadowed with name calling, entertaining shorts and caricatures, innuendo and rumor, unfounded statements and wild opinions all the time avoiding the real issues at hand. Maybe its hard for us to get together because we can never have any principled discussion or debate. WE will not alwyas agree but democracy demands that we at least struggle over the ideas and have the informationto do so. I challenge us all to rise above our mediocrity and lazy thnking and our desire to crush each others spirit and deal with the real issues at hand deep poverty, unemployment, and rising levels of violence in our community all over the country. Our generation has yet to put forward a plan but we sure can play the dozens!

HereIstand
03-07-2006, 01:15 PM
I agree with you it does matter! You are right we have still, as we speak, been fighting for the right to speak. I went to jail for fighting for that. As a result people can speak at the council meetings and they have ward meetings as well. Not many Council people show up to the ward meetings and the regular ones at the Council are not televised and happen before the buisness portion of the meeting, which actually is in violation to state law. I have sent my colleagues myopinionon this and advocate for this fact at Council meetings. I need help from people to organize around that. I am planning to sponsor a resolution shortly, but people should come to the meetings or at least watch them so the only source of your info wont be the Star Ledger or even just poeple on newark speaks. But they are so many issues that I have to fight against and for that I have to pace myself and get help! I still believe that we needed that money and I would do it again. I just dont believe that I dont have the ability to have a say step by step in whats happening and I dont believe that the money is for Sharpe James. he does not have control over those boards the counil has more people on those boards and the community/buisness. I know it happened fast and it gives the apperance of impropriety, and maybe we should have taken more time, but we or at least I acted in good faith and intend on staying involved to make the processs as transparent as possible. And even if we dont completely have the right to speak yet you can still come down and talk, any of you, Ill sponsor you to make statements before the Council!

rice2006
03-07-2006, 01:22 PM
I have read what most have stated on the matter of Brother Baraka whom I consider a friend and colleague. I do NOT think that Ras is any type of sell-out and the fact that he is on the board at all shows that he has more guts and respect of diverse opinions of all Newarkers than do most of his colleagues.

I, too, however, was disappointed by his vote and the reasons why have been repeated ad nauseum. But throwing out the baby with bath water is not a good thing. Unlike most of our elected council persons, in his short time, Ras has raised the level of debate and not gone along to get along.

Poet, I appreciate the compliment, but trust me I am no golden boy and there will be times, I am sure, that the board will disagree with me on votes, actions, and inactions if I am successful on May 9th. What I vow is that I will make my decisions with the community's input and inclusion. I welcome constructive criticism, debate, and alternative solutions. Indeed, it is wy I am running: to decentralize power and decision-making from City Hall to the masses FUNDAMENTALLY AND INSTITUTIONALLY. It is, in my opinion, the unfinished business of the Black and Puerto Rican Convention.

The vote that took place shows how unfinished that business really is with council people really thinking they know better than the rest of Newarkers what should be done for them. This type of paternalisitic attitude is why many in our city literally hate some of our elected officials. The simple fact is that the city council has, within the last 20 years, NEVER run, supported, or provided effective oversight over any non-profit or fund it has created well, so why should the people of Newark trust them to do so in this instance, especially when its' creation was done so badly and without transparacy and community input. The simple fact that they were presented in resolution form that precludes public comment smells bad and foreshadows community input that will be more advisory than real in defining substance, much like community meetings around the arena, water optimization plan, the masterplan, etc., etc.

I know Ras needs support on that council and I know, as one trying to get there to change the debate and priorities of that institution, he will and should be with a new leadership agenda that he will be a part in creating. We owe that to our generation and to those in the community that expect us to break from the tradition of the past.

RACEMATTERS
03-07-2006, 01:22 PM
So just to be clear is it your position that the current structure of our city government is antiquated and should be changed from a "strong mayor form of govt" to a "council-mayor". Where the council will have the major say and leaves the mayor as a figure head....? Because forming these entitities gives the mayor one vote and the council collectively a larger voice.

I am trying to understand the reasoning behind the formation and I will be at the next council mtg. God willing.

rice2006
03-07-2006, 01:32 PM
Better organization, better use of oversight changes within the current structure, and charter changes will do it.

If you come to one of my West Ward Saturdays at my HQ every Saturday from 2:30 to 4:00 PM @ 900-B 18th Avenue to hear my whole plan and ask questions to get the lowdown. All West Warders and interested persons are always welcome to hear a specific vision.

5Reasons
03-07-2006, 01:47 PM
I'm dangerous because I do not stand for the lies of this administration. Those 48-hours to set up a theft fund to TWO nonprofit organizations is just too much. You guys just haven't figured out a good lie to explain why the rush. You see, that's the problem with lying...there's always some hole.

Ras, the feeling you're experience is a feelin' that all regimes that are falling experience. This is going to be a great life lesson. You can grow from this, and perhaps you'll, one day, be better.

Yeah, I'm dangerous because I speak truth to power. Now that you have power, you can't speak truth. It's sad when good guys get bought by the system.

I sure hope you're taking notes of this campaign. It's going to make a good book.

jazzyken
03-07-2006, 01:49 PM
I agree with you it does matter! You are right we have still, as we speak, been fighting for the right to speak. I went to jail for fighting for that. As a result people can speak at the council meetings and they have ward meetings as well. Not many Council people show up to the ward meetings and the regular ones at the Council are not televised and happen before the buisness portion of the meeting, which actually is in violation to state law. I have sent my colleagues myopinionon this and advocate for this fact at Council meetings. I need help from people to organize around that. I am planning to sponsor a resolution shortly, but people should come to the meetings or at least watch them so the only source of your info wont be the Star Ledger or even just poeple on newark speaks. But they are so many issues that I have to fight against and for that I have to pace myself and get help! I still believe that we needed that money and I would do it again. I just dont believe that I dont have the ability to have a say step by step in whats happening and I dont believe that the money is for Sharpe James. he does not have control over those boards the counil has more people on those boards and the community/buisness. I know it happened fast and it gives the apperance of impropriety, and maybe we should have taken more time, but we or at least I acted in good faith and intend on staying involved to make the processs as transparent as possible. And even if we dont completely have the right to speak yet you can still come down and talk, any of you, Ill sponsor you to make statements before the Council!
I hear ya... agreeing with Race and speaking on this forum is one thing but you did NOt do that with your vote!!! You for one, based upon your comment here, should have demanded a public forum on this! This should not have been approved without any public notification or forum. Period!!!
This is what makes everyone believe this is shaddy and public perception is always a point during an election year... I am just rambling right now. Be back after lunch :p

5Reasons
03-07-2006, 01:55 PM
The crooks and thieves got caught with their pants down. It was one last megaheist, as I've explained. These guys must put the money back IMMEDIATELY. These slush/theft funds will be challenged in court. I'm sorry to disrupt the retirement parties of the crooks, cronies and incompetents in this administration.

These fools believe they can attach the words "neigbhorhood" and "recreation" in front of their theft funds and that we'll go along with it. They have all of these elaborate rationales EXCEPT they can't explain away why they gave 80 MILLION DOLLARS to TWO nonexisting nonprofits in 48-hours with public input.

It's hard work holding a lie together. :cool:

RACEMATTERS
03-07-2006, 01:57 PM
the question was for Ras. I wanted to get his response to this question.

hardball
03-07-2006, 02:24 PM
I'm dangerous because I do not stand for the lies of this administration. Those 48-hours to set up a theft fund to TWO nonprofit organizations is just too much. You guys just haven't figured out a good lie to explain why the rush. You see, that's the problem with lying...there's always some hole.

Ras, the feeling you're experience is a feelin' that all regimes that are falling experience. This is going to be a great life lesson. You can grow from this, and perhaps you'll, one day, be better.

Yeah, I'm dangerous because I speak truth to power. Now that you have power, you can't speak truth. It's sad when good guys get bought by the system.

I sure hope you're taking notes of this campaign. It's going to make a good book.

you are not dangerous....you are HARMLESS....you hide behind your screen name.....w/lies dripping from your fat lips...you will not even reveal your name....the one your mamma gave you....so i also believe you are a coward/punk......what is your name....reveal yourself to the rest of us.....
....what truth do you speak????

Klap Bak
03-07-2006, 02:54 PM
280

Hey Poet ,,,,,,, still got that Bridge (you know the one with the FESTIVE >> Joyful/Gay Lights) for sale?

WassupNwk
03-07-2006, 03:39 PM
thank you mr. baraka for coming online and facing some community music. we know you have courage, always will. the newark speaks poll indicates that the 92% don't support the decision made regarding $80M. this matters. it can't be swept under the rug because the opinion of the people is that this is a messed up deal.

mr. baraka ... lets stick to the subject of $80M. you are speaking eloquently about struggles which are true. communication is missing in the majority of society's conflicts. perhaps a new thread should be started to help unite thoughts that are progressive and upbuilding. in the meantime ...

you aren't commenting on the dissention expressed by non-government appointed board members that expressed their non-decision to serve on either of the new non-profits. the only bullish supporters of the deal are the mayor and councilmembers. the monopolistic treatment of this decision is what irks individuals that come to understand what happened. today it was announced in the star-ledger that the mayor and council are looking at another $55M of port authority dollars to stop gap the 2006 $696M proposed budget. Lets do the $450M port authority math to date:

$210M - arena
$ 80M - mayor and council non-profits
$ 55M - 2006 budget stop gap
$345M - 77% of $450M port authority funds allocated

$105M - balance of funds to allocated before may 9th by mayor & company

to those who post how offensive some comments have been ... pay close attention. there will be strictly numbers in this commentary. they say that numbers make the "world go 'round." question for mr. baraka:

what will you and the rest of the council do to protect the remaining $105M of port authority funds?

the mayor has liquidated or earmarked 77% of the money. the remaining 23% must be protected BEFORE another last minute proposal is done. the $55M is a week after the $80M "vote." there is a chipping away of these funds and we will not be unfocused by rhetoric or story telling about the past. we are addressing the future.

little by little people will come online and give you support, now that you have been accused by this forum (me) of "selling out." we will not be fooled into letting this issue die with compliments and talk of past struggles. NO ONE is acknowledging (on the government side) with a little exception of you, that this was a monumentally bad form of decision making. everything was rushed and the people were not considered. now there is talk of consideration, however, the politicians involved are hoping people get bogged down with living and forget this matter all together.

we will not forget. there is $105M left of port authority money. we now ask you to help protect those funds so they are used appropriately. this is now a proactive request. what say you?

Klap Bak
03-07-2006, 03:56 PM
If you really wanted to be up front and not just placate the situation ……. Start at the 1+ Billion we could have and should have received. We now understand the rush to settle with 450 Million. But if are speaking truth and seeking the power of clarification, don’t soft stroke and placate start at the top ,,,,,,, ask about the full amount.

LastCubanStanding
03-07-2006, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Jazzy in November. In case you thought this money was "gravy" and could be tossed away into the "non-profits," think again.BTW, I highlighted some comments by Booker, but to be quite honest, what he is saying is common sense. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that you don't throw money away that you need for more important things. You don't decorate a house if you can't afford the mortgage.
Budget approved despite $60 million gap
Property taxes to rise and outlay hinges on P.A. deal
Thursday, November 10, 2005
BY JEFFERY C. MAYS
Star-Ledger Staff
The Newark City Council approved a $621 million 2005 municipal spending plan yesterday, but the city is still facing at least a $60 million budget gap.

The budget increases taxes by $155 for the average homeowner but is dependent on a settlement with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey over back rent payments that city officials are depending on to close the $60 million gap.

Newark has not received the money yet, but the state Division of Local Government Services allowed the city to use a letter from the Port Authority, saying that a settlement is forthcoming, to approve the budget, said city council budget analyst Joseph Faccone.

The city used the same tactic last year and still had a $38 million 2004 budget gap until recently when the Port Authority advanced the city $56 million in 2006 rent payments for Newark Liberty International Airport.

The city ended up with $55.87 million after the Port Authority charged Newark 3 percent interest, or about $790,952, to borrow the money. Is this the DUMBEST things we have ever done!!!

If Newark does not receive a settlement this year, it will begin the 2006 budget year with at least a $116 million deficit before adding in the normal increases of employee salary and benefit.

East Ward Councilman Augusto Amador was the only council person to vote against the budget in a 15-minute session. No residents showed up to comment about the plan.

Amador said he objected to the late date at which the budget was adopted. Two years ago, Newark adopted its budget with 29 days left in the year. Last year, the budget was approved with just 17 days left in the year. Yesterday, the budget was adopted with 52 days left in the year, still a very late budget adoption.

Approving the spending plan so late in the year means that the funds already have been spent and the council loses the power to direct cuts.

"Rather than increasing the budget, there's a need to cut the budget. Rather than wait on promises that are made by institutions outside of the city, we should tackle our own problems," said Amador.

Council members Ras Baraka, Charles Bell, Hector Corchado, Bessie Walker and Donald Bradley voted for the budget. Council members Mamie Bridgeforth, Luis Quintana and Gayle Chaneyfield- Jenkins were absent at the time of the vote.

Port Authority officials have said they would like to have a settlement with the city on the back rent lawsuit before they approve their own budget next month.

"We'd be in very bad shape if this got put off yet again," city Business Administrator Richard Monteilh said about the pending Port Authority settlement.

Mayoral candidate and former Councilman Cory Booker said Newark is heading into what could be one of its largest fiscal crises ever and that the mayor and council made the problem worse by borrowing 10 months' worth of next year's airport rent money.

Booker said the mayor and city council should be doing things like selling city-owned land to developers for more money, cutting their own salaries and discretionary spending, auditing every department for wasted money and increasing revenue sources by making sure the city receives the proper amount of money its due.

Parking taxes, for example, are collected on basically what is an honor system. In 2004, Newark collected only 76.9 percent of taxes due, down from 78 percent in 2003.

"They are just passing on the budget crisis to next year by filling it with nonreoccurring revenue like the Port Authority money and raising taxes," said Booker.

Monteilh said the city plans to spread the pending Port Authority settlement over five years to help ease future budget gaps, expected to reach at least $55 million per year until at least 2008. New development will add more tax revenue, he said. In addition, the administration plans to cut spending for the 2006 budget. How can he even make this statement when we are less than 60 days away from 2006?!?!?

"The Port Authority money will not completely close the gaps. You will have to do some cutting and growing of tax ratables ... because expenses are outstripping revenue growth," said Monteilh. "Everybody understands that the costs have to be contained."



Jeffery C. Mays covers Newark City Hall. He may be reached at jmays@starledger.com or (973) 392-4149.

WassupNwk
03-07-2006, 04:01 PM
you are not dangerous....you are HARMLESS....you hide behind your screen name.....w/lies dripping from your fat lips...you will not even reveal your name....the one your mamma gave you....so i also believe you are a coward/punk......what is your name....reveal yourself to the rest of us.....
....what truth do you speak????
is this how you make "newark better daily?" to know one's self is wisdom, but to know one's neighbor is genius. since you don't know how to address another individual with RESPECT, then you aren't a good teacher. the internet was designed for chat with names people can identify with. many of the great exchanges on this thread would'nt exist if not for anonymity. this country punishes people who are honest about abuse of power. by whom? the power brokers themselves. mr. james is famous for getting his way by threatening the livelihood of others.

5Reasons makes sense. he is factual and sticks to the matter being discussed. he doesn't bait others with disprespect. those who respond with intellect, are to be commended for their expression. there is good stuff from good people on this forum. we just need to harness it and work together somehow someday. talking about "fat lips" and "your mamma" sadly sets us back immensely.

WassupNwk
03-07-2006, 04:06 PM
If you really wanted to be up front and not just placate the situation ……. Start at the 1+ Billion we could have and should have received. We now understand the rush to settle with 450 Million. But if are speaking truth and seeking the power of clarification, don’t soft stroke and placate start at the top ,,,,,,, ask about the full amount.
if you want to redo my numbers, that's ok. the $450M is what we are working with legally. if it was $1B then the funneling of funds would have started sooner. don't know what you mean by "soft stroke and placate" in your comment. but i feel ya!

HereIstand
03-07-2006, 05:18 PM
I actually dont want people to forget and to continue to be involved, but I have answered the questions many times throughout look at the posts. I must apologize because I am getting sidetracked by sthe senseless comments and inflammatory rumor sold as fact by some of the other people on the thread who do not genuinely wnat solution. They have another agnda altogether and soon will reveal themselves..people that will make you believe that name calling is somehow intellectual. That use words like steal, slush fund, etc. when there is noe eveidence whatsoever of any of this. Just say you disagree. I must assure you that I dont intend on stealing any money or having a slush fund or allowing anyone else to have one either without a fight. Money has already been allocated from that fund to pay down rising taxes and again cover holes in the budget. I was not on the Council during the last Budget hearings, but I do know there have been provisions made to deal with tax increase and budget defecit.
I do agree with Ron though. The people are an afterthought and should be included more in the process. Part of it is the fault of government, the other is our fault. Our inability to mobilize or to get involved short of this site or complaining. I did not know about this site during our discussions, and frankly may not have put info on this site because I wasnt too familiar with it. I recieved the info last minute and it was going to go forward with or without me. I fought with others to have some type of oversight and not to throw it into the general fund. I also pushed to have increased council membership and to ensure that the Council make full reports on the progress of both boards step by step. I believe we need this money in our nieghborhoods and I am going to fight to make sure that happens and so should you. I do not believe that putting nieghborhood on it is some trick. I believe it is actually the chink in the armour like America claims to be a democracy now its our job to hold her to that! Anything short of that to me is cynicism and a retreat.
But i implore you to come to Council meetings yourself. And I have a feeling that the numbers would look different if people had more info and less propaganda. And there will be plenty more money coming from Port Authority, hopefully Passaic Valley Sewage Company, Verizon and many more. We are fighting to get our fair share believe that and in each instance the money will be earmarked in a different way and handled differently and yes we have to work to get more public say and when I believe that its strategically probable and right to try and force that issue I will, but there will be times when we will not agree, and I will do what I think is right on my own. When money is recieved it is recieved immediately through wire and transfer. Do we have long drawn out public meetings for weeks to get an idea of where it should go, and everyone even on this site may have fifty different places that they think it should go. Someone is going to be upset, and I knew people would be at least suspicious of this because of election year becasue Sharpe is involved. I beleive it would be percieved totally different if he wasnt on any ot the boards and we gave the money to some seemingly clean College presidents and businessman without Counil involvement. I would be against that. If you look at some of the comments onthis site some people dont want us to control anything. they are agains local control of the schools, hel even agains a citizen review board because they automatically think we are going to be wasteful and corrupt. I resent that. If the money was in the budget or general fund the mayor would still have control over it..Bookerites just believe that Booker will be the Mayor and he will have control over it. They believe this will take the control out of his hands and his people, which is silly to me. Its a ruling class struggle who gets the bulk of the money. My concern is how the money is used and spent not who sits on the board.

Maximus
03-07-2006, 05:26 PM
...spout enough "power to the people/working class struggle" cliches and maybe people will forget your obvious duplicity in this latest scandal? Uhhhhh...NO.

HereIstand
03-07-2006, 05:27 PM
Its been a pleasure talking about this with those truly concerned, and I apologize for falling victim to the operatives- paid and unpaid. The next council meeting is March 15th sign up to speak or just come and I will sponsor you to speak. Its been real. Good luck to all you young candidates out there and dont get caught in the crossfire. Keep your head down and stay focused. Remember after its all said and done you will be here the longest no matter what side you find yourself on now. And ultimatley its about the people that actually live here. And while the faces of your enemies will change your condition will not without study and organization. Strategize, because sometimes te enemies we think we are fighting are but pawns themselves.

LastCubanStanding
03-07-2006, 05:31 PM
Although I disagree with most of what you have posted, I commend you for being the only public official to address the issues at hand. I hope you will visit us in the future.

Maximus
03-07-2006, 05:31 PM
Now can you take a breath and follow 5's advice...and put the money back?

HereIstand
03-07-2006, 05:40 PM
I though I lost you Max just trying to wake some of you up ..and thats the problem you think people's actual struggles are a cliche. The only real cliche is the zorro routine that you are pulling hiding behind your mask...come forth and fight like the rest of us get your hands dirty if you will. The only problem I have with zorro is that its just a fantasy. And I really believe in democracy and if you knew any better you would actually read something and not count on the fact that youve named yourself maximus that people will at least believe that you are bigger than you actually are. But I will always be here people like you come and go. You ride the tide of opportunism and become a face in the crowd. Be creative stand for something anything and maybe you can come up with some cliches of your own. And its obvious that you dont know me or you would know that I believe everything that I am saying and I am not some beauracrat or operative or funnyman ..hey what is that awful noise...its shuffling! You are one step away for Captain Jim living in a cave and believing that your arrogance and privilige is enough to make you superior. Join the world theres plenty going on! And yes working people of all nationalities on every continent fighting against the maximus of the world....Power to the people bro ..maybe one day we will actually meet!

rice2006
03-07-2006, 05:41 PM
I think Ras crystallized it well

LastCubanStanding
03-07-2006, 05:45 PM
I though I lost you Max just trying to wake some of you up ..and thats the problem you think people's actual struggles are a cliche. The only real cliche is the zorro routine that you are pulling hiding behind your mask...come forth and fight like the rest of us get your hands dirty if you will. The only problem I have with zorro is that its just a fantasy. And I really believe in democracy and if you knew any better you would actually read something and not count on the fact that youve named yourself maximus that people will at least believe that you are bigger than you actually are. But I will always be here people like you come and go. You ride the tide of opportunism and become a face in the crowd. Be creative stand for something anything and maybe you can come up with some cliches of your own. And its obvious that you dont know me or you would know that I believe everything that I am saying and I am not some beauracrat or operative or funnyman ..hey what is that awful noise...its shuffling! You are one step away for Captain Jim living in a cave and believing that your arrogance and privilige is enough to make you superior. Join the world theres plenty going on! And yes working people of all nationalities on every continent fighting against the maximus of the world....Power to the people bro ..maybe one day we will actually meet!

NOW GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK

Maximus
03-07-2006, 05:53 PM
Ras, if you were up on your superhero mythology you would know that Zorro, Batman, et al wore masks not out of cowardice but to:
1) strike fear in the hearts of evildoers and
2) to avoid reprisals by said evildoers.

Zorro actually was very anti-establishment...like you used to be. Before you started playing go-along to get along. Before you lost all credibility. Before you turned your back on folks hoping you were a fresh face on the political scene, instead of a false face. So I ask you, who is wearing the mask now?

Mr. Councilman, I have been around a lot longer than you have. And I'm not going anywhere.

Not to worry Ras, soon enough, the iconic "Z" popularized by Douglas Fairbanks and Antonio Bandaras in the Zorro will soon be emblazoned on your a$$.

Viva Newark!

5Reasons
03-07-2006, 07:43 PM
Seriously, thieves - you don't have much longer to rescind this. It's going to get hot. Is it worth it?


1. Less than two weeks after the Feds audit Sharpe’s other slush fund organization, the NHA, and found that they have systemically misappropriated money and CANNOT ACCOUNT FOR MORE THAN 10 MILLION DOLLARS, Sharpe and the crew propose this 80 MILLION DOLLAR scheme

2. The Council, who can’t pass a budget on time and has to borrow money from Master Charlie to close budgets, THEN votes to appropriate 80 MILLION DOLLARS to two organizations that don’t exist. These organizations have no governing structure, no rules, no goals and objectives, no bylaws - NOTHING. This was done in 48 hours. 80 MILLION DOLLARS pi$$ed away in 48 hours WITHOUT public input.

3. The same people voting to appropriate money to these theft organizations THEN vote themselves onto the SAME BOARDS. WTF?

4. The theft fund is FINANCED by monies in which the City settled on the cheap. Newark set to receive AT LEAST twice that amount, and yet these guys basically pi$$ed away hundreds of thousand, if not millions of dollars in lawyer fees, for this quick fix. All of which was set up so that the crooks could head toward the escape hatch with their bag of gold.

5. The same people that have underinvested in recreation are the SAME people that will head up these nonexisting organizations.

6. They would only try to pull this stunt BECAUSE Donald Tucker is dead. DT would have NEVER stood for this mega-heist. His replacement, however, was all for it.

7. EVERYTIME (not SOME of the time - EVERYTIME) this City under THIS administration forms THESE types of organizations, they are notorious for LOSING MONEY and ending up in the back alleys of who knows where. Can you say African American Cultural Center? Yep - we just placed the same people that STOLE MILLIONS on that project in charge of this 80 MILLION DOLLARS.

8. The Incompetent Council ABANDONED their duty to uphold the public trust by FUNDING these THEFTPROFIT organizations for a MEASELY 6 MILLION DOLLARS. Their INSTINCT was to view this as some sort of gold they could hand out to obedient nonprofits because many find themselves in a heated election thanks to their incompetence in the first place.

9. All of this stealing is being done RIGHT BEFORE AN ELECTION with people that are already under investigation AND are leaving office. The crooks and cronies have stolen enough to last a lifetime.

10. These guys DESPERATELY try to attach the words “recreation and neighborhood” in front of their theft slush fund, as if Newarkers are stupid. The State is looking into this and the courts will also be into this deal. Simply put, this *ish is going to get smeared on a lot of people if the deal isn’t rescinded in a week. The Incompetent Council must ask the question: Is it worth it? Especially since this deal won’t stand up in court.

Final note: The only person laughing her a$$ off right now is Gayle Chaneyfield who was SMART ENOUGH to be NOWHERE NEAR this mega-heist.


NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

DAMN MAN, HAVEN'T YOU STOLEN ENOUGH???

WassupNwk
03-07-2006, 08:15 PM
[I]1) "I do agree with Ron though. The people are an afterthought and should be included more in the process. Part of it is the fault of government, the other is our fault."

2) "I recieved the info last minute and it was going to go forward with or without me."

3) "... we have to work to get more public say and when I believe that its strategically probable and right to try and force that issue I will, but there will be times when we will not agree, and I will do what I think is right on my own."

4) "Someone is going to be upset, and I knew people would be at least suspicious of this because of election year becasue Sharpe is involved."

5) My concern is how the money is used and spent not who sits on the board.
thank you mr. baraka for dignifying us with your thoughts. you still didn't answer questions posed, however, we understand that you cannot say things and be held accountable because you are part of an organization (goverment) that acts as one when specific facts need responses.

i just wanted to make my final thoughts on this matter by working off your recent thoughts:

1) you are honest when you state "people are an afterthought." we know this and it will be empowering to work with this knowledge going forward.

2) the fact that you received the info the last minute was proof positive that you needed to take a PRINCIPLED stand for the community and on behalf of your defined leadership as an entity. you went with the status quo influence in city hall. really bad to go against your better judgment. you are in the middle of a campaign and this would have buoyed you. however, we know the undue influence mr. james yields, and although you won't admit it publicly, we feel your pain having to go against your better judgment.

3) we need you to conscientiously work on our behalf to promote more public say and advocacy. you are a young leader and the future in the city. you aren't so removed from the grassroots to forget we need such a voice(s) in government. mr. rice, jr. (west ward) and mr. ramos, jr. (north ward) are two examples of potential new council members that will breathe new life into a tired team of wannabe leaders.

4) "at least suspicous?" you're are playing us with that comment. you expected outcry, just not as intense as demonstrated on the forum. you are from the 'hood and you know damn well how we would react.

5) you should be concerned about who sits on the board because they "decide how the money is used and spent."

once again, you've demonstrated political diplomacy that doesn't become your pedigree. you are a straight shooter and when you vacillate, it is obvious and transparent. you are simply a victim of your own reputation. i truly hope, as a politician and governement leader, you grow in courage and trust that the people want honesty and dignity in their represented leaders. in 2006 we've gone beyond the point of exhaustion with the role playing by our politicians. this is a brave new world and we are bull#hit intolerant.

wishing you all the best in your campaign. i believe your intent is there. i wish you strength and commitment to follow your instincts because when overridden, you lose bigger than we do.

hardball
03-07-2006, 10:41 PM
is this how you make "newark better daily?" to know one's self is wisdom, but to know one's neighbor is genius. since you don't know how to address another individual with RESPECT, then you aren't a good teacher. the internet was designed for chat with names people can identify with. many of the great exchanges on this thread would'nt exist if not for anonymity. this country punishes people who are honest about abuse of power. by whom? the power brokers themselves. mr. james is famous for getting his way by threatening the livelihood of others.

5Reasons makes sense. he is factual and sticks to the matter being discussed. he doesn't bait others with disprespect. those who respond with intellect, are to be commended for their expression. there is good stuff from good people on this forum. we just need to harness it and work together somehow someday. talking about "fat lips" and "your mamma" sadly sets us back immensely.


.....first of all....i respect everyone...i am a good teacher....you who do not know me....can't judge me on what kind of teacher i am...you are not GOD.....so **** you too!!!
.....5reasons as well are maximus are suckers/cowards...that is not name calling that is charcter description.....they are AGENT PROVOCATEURS....spewing lies/agitation over this ****hole sight 24/7....do these SOB's have jobs???.....yes....it's called newarkspeaks....
.....i'm out on this one....it was nice to see my man ras give you folks the mental beatdown.....

p.s.....big-up to my man ron jr......what up bro'

ForOurYouth
03-07-2006, 11:32 PM
Please, brothers and sisters. Do not criticize Juba's contribution to Newark's children. It is unnecessary and hitting way below the belt, because anyone who knows him knows he is truly committed to the well-being and artistic voice of our children. So, please leave that out of play.

As for Ras, please also see the forest for the trees. It is clear that many of us on this forum agree that Ras Baraka is one of the most capable people in the running for council right now, though you may not agree with his politics. I appreciate and applaud his challenge to hold him to his vote and voice our opinions during the next council meeting for the record. We are civilized, intelligent human beings. The name calling is immature at best so why introduce it? You can question his vote, and you can question whether or not it was right or justifiable, but please let Ras's actions ON AND OFF THE COUNCIL speak for his character. This is not about his character, its about his decision-making process.

But that may just be my opinion. Right now, I think we all have better ways to expend our energies rather than 1000 word rants on what all is wrong with people in our City. :(

5Reasons
03-08-2006, 06:38 AM
Good Morning Hardup,

I'm sorry I'm dangerous to the thieves and schemes of this administration. I'm sorry if you think that's "name calling." I can assure you - it's not. It's called TELLING THE TRUTH.

Ah, about 2 or 3 posts ago, I listed 10 things that happened. That's not opinion; that's FACT! So, your bad attempts to personalize and spin these theft/slush funds are failing. They are going to ruin peoples' careers. It's not worth it. Once again, please, please, PLEASE feel free to deal with elements in my prior post. It's a slush/theft fund and anyone that voted for any portion of this did NOT have Newark's best self-interest at heart. Those are the facts.

Hey guys - quick hint: You can make a lot of noise to try to distract, but you still haven't figured out a logic mechanism on why NOW, why 80 MILLION DOLLARS and why in 48 hours. See what I mean? The lie doesn't hold together because you don't have a good excuse on WHY NOW and WHY 80 MILLION DOLLARS and WHY in 48 HOURS. You guys have to work it. But then again, you don't have to work on it: YOU COULD GIVE THE MONEY BACK.

Again, you just THINK I'm a provacatuer, but I'm responding to EVENTS. You know, the events CAUSED by this administration and the Incompetent Council. And you poor boys are so defeated and worried about me (The Internet is mightier than the sword?), that's it's taken you off your game. I'm not the problem; this administration and these theft/slush funds ARE. Stay focused!

My guess is you have about 5 or 6 days to put the money back. You can still find some tortured logic on why this process needs to be redone. People might even buy it. But it's like stealing from a store. You leave the store running with the stolen goods. The storeowner is chasing you with his gun. IF, and this is a big IF - you drop what you stole on the ground AND KEPT RUNNING, there's a good possibility that the storeowner won't even pursue you anymore. That's the decision you guys have to face.

I'm sorry to be the most dangerous person in Newark. I truly don't want the label. But this is what happens when you expose the lies, curruption and GREED of this administration and this Incompetent Council. I'm going to CONTINUE - do you hear me? - CONTINUE to speak truth to power. And these theft/slush funds are illegal, they won't stand up in court and they are morally wrong.

So, you do what you think is best. I know what's up. But again, you do what you think is best. My post STILL stands and the 10 points listed ARE THE ELECTRONIC TRUTH. You think it's name calling. I'm sorry; it isn't. The Council has to find the moral courage to do the right thing, even if it is for the wrong reasons. GIVE THE MONEY BACK.

tick,tick,tick....about 5 days is my estimation.


NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

DAMN MAN, HAVEN'T YOU STOLEN ENOUGH???

ForOurYouth
03-08-2006, 10:12 AM
5Reasons:

Ordinarily you sound reasonable. On this thread however, you sound quite dillusional. The whole "I'm dangerous", "I am powerful" thing is a bit too self-aggrandizing, isn't it? Remember the Margaret Thatcher quote:

Power is like being a lady... if you have to tell people you are, you aren't.

And I am as curious as everyone else, what "hip hop center" deal are you talking about?

Maximus
03-08-2006, 10:50 AM
thanks.

keepingitreal
03-08-2006, 11:11 AM
You know what they say about assuming Ras.

"I also pushed to have increased council membership and to ensure that the Council make full reports on the progress of both boards step by step."

You are assuming that these council members win their elections. What happens if they lose and all this money falls out of reach of the council? Same with the mayor. Lose the election but still holding the pursestrings to 80 million. Not bad for them.

5Reasons
03-08-2006, 12:38 PM
Max,

Done.

FOY,

I only used the word "dangerous" because that was the word used by both Ras and Hard. That was their word, not mine. I'm just a Newarker; that's it. But the fact that they would use the word "dangerous" with reference to me shows how deeply emerged they are into the subculture that is Newark's elected officials.

Just in case anyone has forgotten, there are REAL dangers out there - not an Internet forum participant. Murder is on the rise. Shootings going through the roof. NPD putting the fix on many stats. Gang members, Crips and Bloods, on the rise. The Deputy Mayor of Newark, and mayoral candidate, State Senator Ron Rice has stated that we "are being held hostage." Those are his words. But it gets worse. The number of police on the force has declined by hundreds; fewer police today than there were in 2002 and things are much worse today than four years ago. And, more than 50 open-air drug markets, operating in the same place at the same time, everyday of the week. Parents have to keep their children shut in because of the violence that controls many areas of our city. But, despite all of that, Ras and Hard, referenced me as "dangerous." See what I mean? See what I mean about how the subculture has skewed reality? No, FOY, I'm not dangerous. There are real dangers out there facing myself and all Newarkers. Perhaps if the Incompetent Council focused on that, rather than me, we wouldn't even be having this particular discourse.

Maximus
03-08-2006, 01:00 PM
later

WassupNwk
03-08-2006, 02:34 PM
5Reasons:

Ordinarily you sound reasonable. On this thread however, you sound quite dillusional. The whole "I'm dangerous", "I am powerful" thing is a bit too self-aggrandizing, isn't it? Remember the Margaret Thatcher quote:

And I am as curious as everyone else, what "hip hop center" deal are you talking about?
FYI ... 5Reasons is not calling himself "powerful" and "dangerous." mr. baraka and hardball coined those terms. i agree with you if he were naming himself those terms, however, he is playing off them. i respect the depth of 5Reasons' insight. people may not like his passion, but it has merit and he is backing it up by not hiding when challenged. mr. baraka was great getting on the forum and taking heat. i hope it translates to the council seat and future representation via his vote.

ForOurYouth
03-08-2006, 04:02 PM
FYI ... 5Reasons is not calling himself "powerful" and "dangerous." mr. baraka and hardball coined those terms. i agree with you if he were naming himself those terms, however, he is playing off them. i respect the depth of 5Reasons' insight. people may not like his passion, but it has merit and he is backing it up by not hiding when challenged. mr. baraka was great getting on the forum and taking heat. i hope it translates to the council seat and future representation via his vote.

Peace Wassup,

Ordinarily I enjoy what 5Reasons has to say. But, this time he just took it too far. Saying that Baraka voted a particular way because the mayor paid him off with a "hip hop center" is quite the allegation. A few people have asked for clarity on this claim. He has not yet responded. For me, this unfortunately calls into question much of his other claims against Mr. Baraka.

All I'm saying is play fair. Up to this point, things that have been posted have been substantiated, for the most part. And even if it has not, its been valid speculation. This has not, and has not even been addressed for clarity's sake. To tarnish a man's image this way is just hitting below the belt.

Thanks for clarifying, btw. I apologize for misinterpreting.

Klap Bak
03-08-2006, 04:09 PM
I took all your words on this subject and threw them on a word document, busted them down to about 16 WORDS per line and counted 8 PAGES, 358 LINES for an approximate total of 5728 WORDS.

FROM: My byline, if you will .. <<<<

284


TO: >>>>..maybe one day we will actually meet!

All of these words trying to cover-up an exposed shady, backroom deal that was hatched up to either RIP US OFF or to seriously undermine the efforts of the next Mayor (thus hurting the CITY YOU AND THE REST OF THE MERRY BUNCH CLAIM TO LOVE …… you know FROM NEWARK ,,,,, FOR NEWARK).

All of these words to convince us that it was not theft to the highest power.

I wonder Mr. Baraka:

JUST HOW MANY WORDS/PAGES/LINES DID YOU USE TO SUGGEST TO THE MAYOR AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL THAT:

1. THIS SHOULD BE TAKEN TO THE PEOPLE FOR REVIEW
2. THIS WILL LOOK BAD DUE TO TIMING
3. THIS WILL HURT THE CITY

5 REASONS HAS THREE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, HOW MANY WORDS/PAGES/LINES DID YOU USE TO SUGGEST TO THE MAYOR AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL TO SUGGEST THE BACK LASH HE POSES IN HIS QUESTIONS?????

5Reasons
03-08-2006, 06:18 PM
Yet More "Lies" About Public Servant Ras Baraka

Yesterday, a good, fine upstanding member of the Newark Police Department was assigned to Weeqhahic. The officer was driving an official police community stabalization van and he was trying to make a turn near the school. Ras and a group of guys were standing in the street talking or whatever. The NPD officer was trying to make a turn in order to position the van and Ras and the guys were in the way in the street. The NPD officer waited and waited and waited. He eventually lightly beeped his horn. Ras and the guys didn't move FROM OUT OF THE STREET. The NPD officer then got out of the van and walked over to Ras and his gang and asked them to move so that he could make the turn. Ras blew up at him and said, "Don't you know who I am?" :mad:

The NPD officer was transfered to another location this morning. :( People that know the officer are trying to talk to the Puerto Rican Legal Defense Fund.

Yep - more "lies" about public servant Ras. And he thinks I'm dangerous?

Footnote: Ras is looking for the mole. That's why he's interested in how I knew.

NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

BornFree
03-08-2006, 11:16 PM
I wonder what that fine officer did wrong to get himself transfered? Does anyone know? Maybe he was trying to do his job by ticketing the city vehicle that is assigned to "Mr. Ras" which is always parked on the sidewalk blocking our citizens path. Or maybe he got in the way of a meeting between the Bloods and the Crips during a productive cease fire session.

thinktank
03-08-2006, 11:44 PM
why do yall try to discredit, destroy and humiliate our only voice on the city council are yall jealous or better yet who do yall work for. That thing about the police is a straight up lie I was there ......and futhermore ras is the only young political voice thats standing up ...are we that hateful that we gotta bring ras down with all those other politicians I understand you may not agree with his politics but so what...i voted for him last time and will vote for him again. I read his response it was very very good he spoke truth to power and he is the same baraka that ran for mayor straight outta college. We cant be so damn pety minded....

BornFree
03-08-2006, 11:50 PM
If you were there can you please clear up the situation so that we all can find out what really happened. I am not trying to discredit anyone that has not done anything wrong, but all I seek is the truth. These days the truth is hard to find.

thinktank
03-08-2006, 11:50 PM
whoever started that crazy ras sold us out garbage either is running for office, work for the feds, a corey booker fan, mayor james henchman or just plain stupid ....he been in the community when most of us was learning the concept of community...i dont get it ....councilman dont worry there are still some real soldiers out here that recognize and appreciate you
Ras Baraka for city council 2006

cboog
03-08-2006, 11:52 PM
No to tribulism, transferred that's crazy, don't do your job and I guess everythings okay right

thinktank
03-09-2006, 12:02 AM
The police officer disrespected the councilman he began yelling and got very uptight because the councilman did not move fast enough. The only thing the councilman said was why are you yelling .....come on we all got police stories yall no how some white cops act.....it was not until the cop superior came over and explained to this loud yes white officer did he show the councilman respect......he need to be transferred ...can young black males win against the police for once.....I admire the councilman for not abusing his authority like others would try to promote he did...please i saw this with my own eyes and have nothing to gain.....lets support him not humiliate young leadership ...dont be a crab in the barrel

BornFree
03-09-2006, 12:15 AM
I see that you emphasized that it was a white police officer, but I personally know of African American officer's that have had problems with "Mr. Ras" at the same location. Can it be possible that the individual that is abusing his authority is "Mr. Ras" himself? There are times that a soldier, as you call yourself, seem to believe that another soldier, as you call "Mr. Ras", can do no wrong because you think alike. My meaning of a soldier is an individual that fights for the rights of others without thinking twice for his own safety and does so without a personal motive!

Poet
03-09-2006, 12:16 AM
You bring up this garbage that is OBVIOUSLY misinformation and yet you still wont answer the question about your slanderous allegations. Aint nobody in Ras's office looking for your "mole" that is spreading lies. You have nothing absolutely nothing on brother Ras but your own personal vendeta. you look pathetic. TE2 talks more sense than you do right now.

thinktank
03-09-2006, 12:18 AM
You know what they say about assuming Ras.

"I also pushed to have increased council membership and to ensure that the Council make full reports on the progress of both boards step by step."

You are assuming that these council members win their elections. What happens if they lose and all this money falls out of reach of the council? Same with the mayor. Lose the election but still holding the pursestrings to 80 million. Not bad for them.


The money is for neighborhoods and he is a councilman show some respect.........

ChiefAziz
03-09-2006, 12:26 AM
I was there.
1. this happened over 2 weeks ago.
2. The Councilman was out there not with a gang but with Concerned fathers, members of the clergy, and Muslim Mosque Ali Muslim. Protected The Children of Weequaic as thay walked home. Stand up like a real man is supposed to do. Where were you... no where to be found.
3. The officer hit the Councilman as he purposely cut the corner. The Councilman stopped the van to let him know what he did and the cop got out and refused to acknowledge any wrong doing, very cop like... kind of reminds me of some of you.
4. He got himself transfered by acting arrogant, abrasive, and disrespectful.

5reasons why r you on this thing? is it to spread lies and misinformation? you indeed are dangerous, kind of like the agents and snakes that were responsible for getting Malcolm killed or Bobby Hutton, Fred Hampton murdered etc.
People on this site with some sense please do not be fooled hoodwinked or led astray by the LIES and the LYING LIARS who tell them. 5 no reasons, Klipbak, Gluteus Maximus, privatejim9, and i see we got a new one born free. But its cool, you all just stay hidden behind as your good friend put it "sheath".
if anything tell the truth...

thinktank
03-09-2006, 12:29 AM
I see that you emphasized that it was a white police officer, but I personally know of African American officer's that have had problems with "Mr. Ras" at the same location. Can it be possible that the individual that is abusing his authority is "Mr. Ras" himself? There are times that a soldier, as you call youself, seem to believe that another soldier, as you call "Mr. Ras", can do no wrong because you think alike. My meaning of a soldier is an individual that fights for the rights of others without thinking twice for his own safety and does so without a personal motive!
The only reason I emphasized white was to let you know I was there.........Mr. born his name is councilman BARAKA and/or Mr. Baraka not Mr ras its so so clear that you have a personal vendetta .....the councilman has been a soldier b4 running for office he was born into this ....he got no choice but to stand up for me and you.....the only motive i see is that you want to paint a picture of him that is one of cop hater, disrespectful, power driven, and selfish .....please Mr. Born .....i wouldnt buy that if it was a penny.......he is none of the above...try talking to him sometime

BornFree
03-09-2006, 12:35 AM
Hey Chief, I see where you are coming from. Please don't get me wrong, All I ask is that everyone come forward with the truth. Apparently there may be individuals that will twist incidents to there advantage and care nothing about the real issues. I am new to this whole forum thing, but it is getting real interesting. Like I say, I was born Free and wish to remain so.

ChiefAziz
03-09-2006, 12:41 AM
Well I think you should ask questions first before you throw yourself on any particular side... lets not assume what happened... being new to this site you should read what some of this people have to say. Plus what is up with the disrespect. all this Mr. Ras stuff. what is that. see of the back you r coming at the Councilman? So what is with that...

BornFree
03-09-2006, 01:05 AM
OK Chief, It's Mr. Baraka. He's not my councilman.

Nwrbr
03-09-2006, 02:45 AM
Do you live in Newark?

advpolitics
03-09-2006, 03:53 AM
will be re-elected council man of this great city of newark!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now that i took care of that anyone trying to diminish what ras baraka has been doing for the community for many years must not be part of the community. it is easy to critisize another but ask instead what have you done for your community. what have you done to benifit newark. i live in newark and help my communtiy and my family and friends will be supporting baraka!!!!!!!!!!! enough said

Klap Bak
03-09-2006, 07:12 AM
....... he spoke truth to power and he is the same baraka that ran for mayor straight outta college.

..... open this:
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keepingitreal
03-09-2006, 10:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keepingitreal
You know what they say about assuming Ras.

"I also pushed to have increased council membership and to ensure that the Council make full reports on the progress of both boards step by step."

You are assuming that these council members win their elections. What happens if they lose and all this money falls out of reach of the council? Same with the mayor. Lose the election but still holding the pursestrings to 80 million. Not bad for them.


Thinktank you say:
"The money is for neighborhoods and he is a councilman show some respect........."


This is not about respect it is about money, I quoted what Ras said and asked what if. This seems to be a fair question because if you think all the council members that were put on these boards are going to be re-elected you are out of you mind. And when they lose and are still on the board they owe the council nothing. I see you are all tied up with the Ras think, lets assume Hector loses am I to believe he will still have the best interest of the north in mind. Or God forbid he funnels it into more of his LLC's and I have to see $6 million more three family homes around the north under the guise of redevelopment.

thinktank
03-09-2006, 11:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keepingitreal
You know what they say about assuming Ras.

"I also pushed to have increased council membership and to ensure that the Council make full reports on the progress of both boards step by step."

You are assuming that these council members win their elections. What happens if they lose and all this money falls out of reach of the council? Same with the mayor. Lose the election but still holding the pursestrings to 80 million. Not bad for them.


Thinktank you say:
"The money is for neighborhoods and he is a councilman show some respect........."


This is not about respect it is about money, I quoted what Ras said and asked what if. This seems to be a fair question because if you think all the council members that were put on these boards are going to be re-elected you are out of you mind. And when they lose and are still on the board they owe the council nothing. I see you are all tied up with the Ras think, lets assume Hector loses am I to believe he will still have the best interest of the north in mind. Or God forbid he funnels it into more of his LLC's and I have to see $6 million more three family homes around the north under the guise of redevelopment.
I am not tied up in Ras...I just believe in what he is doing...Now the question about if some council members are not re-elected wht happens to the money....WE should not be concerned about that ...We should be happy that the money is not put in the Newark fund and specifically it was put in the neighborhoods to specific people so that we can hold these people accountable not just put it in some Newark fund.....Trust me if the fbi had a hint of something illegal everyone would be in jail...if jackie maddison former mayor aide could get locked up so could mayor james...Im about truth ..like the councilman said we have been in dire need of money for the neighborhoods...you know this...

LastCubanStanding
03-09-2006, 11:07 AM
I.like the councilman said we have been in dire need of money for the neighborhoods...you know this...


BUT basic services need to be addressed first. What good is a new playground or REC center if the kids are afraid to walk there? You have to fix the holes in the wall before you put paint on it.

5Reasons
03-09-2006, 11:09 AM
...Now the question about if some council members are not re-elected wht happens to the money....WE should not be concerned about that ...We should be happy

Now I've heard some silly comments on this forum, but this has to be a Top 10 nominee.

jazzyken
03-09-2006, 11:14 AM
I am not tied up in Ras...I just believe in what he is doing...Now the question about if some council members are not re-elected wht happens to the money....WE should not be concerned about that ...We should be happy that the money is not put in the Newark fund and specifically it was put in the neighborhoods to specific people so that we can hold these people accountable not just put it in some Newark fund.....Trust me if the fbi had a hint of something illegal everyone would be in jail...if jackie maddison former mayor aide could get locked up so could mayor james...Im about truth ..like the councilman said we have been in dire need of money for the neighborhoods...you know this...
What in the heck do you mean??? This is not $20 bucks this is MILLIONS of DOLLARS that in less than 2 months might not have any oversight@@@
R U Serious!!! There is $80 million dollars at stake that will not be used up in two months!!! There needs to be some structure before this money can be given, if given at all!!! And at this point, there is no structure!!! You as well as every resident of Newark needs to be shouting from the hills!!!

keepingitreal
03-09-2006, 11:15 AM
Think, I also agree we need money in neighborhoods. I am questioning how it is done not that we need it. I think eveyone that lives in Newark knows we need help. Using Hector again as an example in the north were I live if he loses how do we hold him accountable. Do you believe that he will act in the best interest of the people who just voted him out. Call me crazy but I do not see how accountabilty stands if they lose. That is my biggest concern that they created a fund for us that they control even if they are no longer on the council which it appears some or most will not be.

black4rob2
03-09-2006, 11:17 AM
this admin..is insulting the intelliegence of the people of Newark...Not only do you guys attempt to commit highway robbery with this money, but then you continually say that you are doing it for the people....Why do something for the people if they don't want it???

jazzyken
03-09-2006, 11:20 AM
this admin..is insulting the intelliegence of the people of Newark...Not only do you guys attempt to commit highway robbery with this money, but then you continually say that you are doing it for the people....Why do something for the people if they don't want it???
Hey Rob sweetie, how have you been???

thinktank
03-09-2006, 11:31 AM
Hey Rob sweetie, how have you been???
I see Im the only newarker here....Mr. 5 reasons anything councilman baraka do you have a problem with so I will ignore you mr. James booker...Its sad that just because of the size of the money allocated you are alarmed ...Look at the size of the problem in the community hell we need more money, more money...the problem can not be fixed in 2 months but we can sure began to fix it within the two months...how do we know what the people want Mr. black rob look in the community stevie wonder could see that our community is in dire need of money....Dont get caught up in who is on the board...get involved ...yes there needed to be public hearing about the money but lets all be fair and real Our situation in newark is urgent, our communities need emergency attention lets not be pissed that we wasnt at the table but lets get to the table and take part

ChiefAziz
03-09-2006, 11:41 AM
you all have so much to say on this website... Please come to a council meeting and express your concerns there... someone whats to email the council people. Come down to 920 Broad St and go to the 3rd fl room 309 and sign up. the council meetings are generally the 1st wed of the month and the 3 rd wed... call 973-733-6400 to get the exact schedule. You see that is were you can truly voice your concerns... what good is all this talk on here and aint a damn soul going to do anything about it but talk negative about Councilman Baraka who is standing up for the people of Newark everyday... Like my man Hardball JD said... "Where is the March?"
Oh that may require some of you to actually do some work. to actually come out of the closet... Oh thats what I thought... Not going to happen.

ChiefAziz
03-09-2006, 11:47 AM
Standing up to violence: A job for all
Thursday, March 02, 2006
They stood in the street, about 20 of them, on a Friday as students were dismissed at Weequahic High School in Newark.

The day before, about 30 showed up. All of them were men, resolute in their cause, taking a stand with their presence.

They came after a school fight between two sets of youths. A group of fellas who didn't go to Weequahic came to get with some students who did. Over what? Who knows?

School security was out there to break it up when the fists started flying. So were Principal Ronald Stone and Vice Principal Ras Baraka. One of the outsiders had a gun, but walked off before using it.

The cops came. They were out there the next day after Baraka, who also sits on the city council now, asked that they be present. It was the kind of help he has wanted for two years. Thirty minutes in the morning, 30 minutes in the afternoon to make sure nothing jumps off. That's what he has wanted daily, not when something happens.

But he made another call -- more like several -- and the men came. While the police were across the street, some on their motorcycles, others nearby in a patrol car, the men stood in the street at the corner of the school. They were there to set a tone that said they were not going to tolerate violence.

The Street Warriors, a group of ex-cons, and Saving Our Selves, a group of ex-gang members, were on hand. The Muslim community from Masjid Ali Muslim stepped up with their brothers. There were others, some getting off work in construction clothes, and more concerned men from the neighborhood.

Like Fred Murphy. Anything to help the kids and he's there. If it's just to listen to them, to talk to them and show them there's another way.

"It's easy for kids to do the wrong thing these days," he said. "Doing the right thing for kids is tough. That's backward. They need to be taught that."

Two days after the fight, the police caught an 18-year-old man with an Uzi-style machine gun outside of the school in the morning.

One man, Ali Muslim, shook his head when he heard about it.

"This is not our dream," he said. "That's somebody's else's dream."

He doesn't know any of the kids, but he came out when the call was made to have them understand the nonsense has got to stop.

"You're not going to come here and take over our school," he said. "At some point, the man has got to stand up and be accounted for."

The students are used to seeing Baraka, Stone and school security on the grounds. And they've grown accustomed to Baraka walking several blocks with them to make sure nothing happens on their way home.

"It's a shame that our vice principal and principal have to act like cops to make us feel safe," said Karin Tarver. "They don't have to do this, but they do."

But seeing the others there was a bonus, something the students didn't expect, something they appreciated and would like to see on a regular basis. Most of the problems, they say, come from outsiders trying to disrupt the "I.P," the students' acronym for Indian Pride, their school spirit derived from the school mascot.

Go to any community meeting, street rally or neighborhood gathering spot and inevitably the discussion will pivot toward people organizing to take back the community.

There was no more preaching to the choir on this day. The call went out and the men responded in a big way. Everybody always talks about what needs to be done. Maybe this can be the catalyst to get others on board.

The same people can't do it all the time. If enough men volunteer, the powerful statement they have made with their presence will reverberate not only at Weequahic, but it could cause a movement at other schools as well. The police are not going to stay forever. They can't, but the community can.



Barry Carter covers Newark. He may be reached at bcarter@starledger.com or (973) 392-1827.

jazzyken
03-09-2006, 11:52 AM
I see Im the only newarker here....Mr. 5 reasons anything councilman baraka do you have a problem with so I will ignore you mr. James booker...Its sad that just because of the size of the money allocated you are alarmed ...Look at the size of the problem in the community hell we need more money, more money...the problem can not be fixed in 2 months but we can sure began to fix it within the two months...how do we know what the people want Mr. black rob look in the community stevie wonder could see that our community is in dire need of money....Dont get caught up in who is on the board...get involved ...yes there needed to be public hearing about the money but lets all be fair and real Our situation in newark is urgent, our communities need emergency attention lets not be pissed that we wasnt at the table but lets get to the table and take part
Okay lets try this... I am trying very hard to not start a back and forth bickering with anyone after the whole "you know who2"... So I digress. No, I am no longer a residnet of the City of Newark and that is due to the NUMEROUS shootings and killings on the block that I lived on. The fact that I could not and would not allow my children to play in the streets due to the open air drug markets and hundreds of drug addicts walking the street where I lived. So I moved to a very quiet and nice block in Irvington. No open air drugs on my block or surrounding blocks. No shootings or killings so far and God willing never will happen. But again I digress.

Back to the situation at hand... What if Baraka is not in office on two months, what happens to the money then???? Straight forward answer please!!!

jazzyken
03-09-2006, 12:01 PM
Standing up to violence: A job for all
Thursday, March 02, 2006
They stood in the street, about 20 of them, on a Friday as students were dismissed at Weequahic High School in Newark.

The day before, about 30 showed up. All of them were men, resolute in their cause, taking a stand with their presence.

They came after a school fight between two sets of youths. A group of fellas who didn't go to Weequahic came to get with some students who did. Over what? Who knows?

School security was out there to break it up when the fists started flying. So were Principal Ronald Stone and Vice Principal Ras Baraka. One of the outsiders had a gun, but walked off before using it.

The cops came. They were out there the next day after Baraka, who also sits on the city council now, asked that they be present. It was the kind of help he has wanted for two years. Thirty minutes in the morning, 30 minutes in the afternoon to make sure nothing jumps off. That's what he has wanted daily, not when something happens.

But he made another call -- more like several -- and the men came. While the police were across the street, some on their motorcycles, others nearby in a patrol car, the men stood in the street at the corner of the school. They were there to set a tone that said they were not going to tolerate violence.

The Street Warriors, a group of ex-cons, and Saving Our Selves, a group of ex-gang members, were on hand. The Muslim community from Masjid Ali Muslim stepped up with their brothers. There were others, some getting off work in construction clothes, and more concerned men from the neighborhood.

Like Fred Murphy. Anything to help the kids and he's there. If it's just to listen to them, to talk to them and show them there's another way.

"It's easy for kids to do the wrong thing these days," he said. "Doing the right thing for kids is tough. That's backward. They need to be taught that."

Two days after the fight, the police caught an 18-year-old man with an Uzi-style machine gun outside of the school in the morning.

One man, Ali Muslim, shook his head when he heard about it.

"This is not our dream," he said. "That's somebody's else's dream."

He doesn't know any of the kids, but he came out when the call was made to have them understand the nonsense has got to stop.

"You're not going to come here and take over our school," he said. "At some point, the man has got to stand up and be accounted for."

The students are used to seeing Baraka, Stone and school security on the grounds. And they've grown accustomed to Baraka walking several blocks with them to make sure nothing happens on their way home.

"It's a shame that our vice principal and principal have to act like cops to make us feel safe," said Karin Tarver. "They don't have to do this, but they do."

But seeing the others there was a bonus, something the students didn't expect, something they appreciated and would like to see on a regular basis. Most of the problems, they say, come from outsiders trying to disrupt the "I.P," the students' acronym for Indian Pride, their school spirit derived from the school mascot.

Go to any community meeting, street rally or neighborhood gathering spot and inevitably the discussion will pivot toward people organizing to take back the community.

There was no more preaching to the choir on this day. The call went out and the men responded in a big way. Everybody always talks about what needs to be done. Maybe this can be the catalyst to get others on board.

The same people can't do it all the time. If enough men volunteer, the powerful statement they have made with their presence will reverberate not only at Weequahic, but it could cause a movement at other schools as well. The police are not going to stay forever. They can't, but the community can.



Barry Carter covers Newark. He may be reached at bcarter@starledger.com or (973) 392-1827.
This is a great story and I applaud every individual that participated in stopping what would have the next "murder" article. But this actually emphasizes what everyone is talking about!!! To deter the murders and shootings, you do not need "redevelopement" you need people that are willing to walk the walk. You do not need $80 million dollars to go to a "fund" you need more officers to deter the crimes that plague the city. Newark is short some 200+ officers to be FULL staffed. Adding more cops is not a sure answer but it is a win-win situation. The cops on staff can not handle the amount of crime that plagues Newark right now!!! With these new two and three families going up in every square inch of the city... how are you securing these areas!!! The schools have security and need more policing. This is not random acts of violence... these kids are armed with uzi attack weapons. The old 22's are out the door. These kids have fire-power~~~~ what are we competing with!?!? Maybe we need a police state to get the streets back then we can work on redevelopment!!!

keepingitreal
03-09-2006, 12:36 PM
Not sure about you guys but when I grew up I did not go the park. We played in the streets around our houses. That is the problem kids can not even do that here. I do not need money to go to parks right now; how about cleaning up the streets so the kids can play then worry about some parks.

And yes Jazzy I have asked the question at least 4 times what happens when these council people lose their seat where is the acoountabilty then? No answer yet!

And yes Think I do live in Newark.

WassupNwk
03-10-2006, 03:25 PM
whether gov. corzine is going through the motions or not, we need to remain indignant toward the attempted theft. the brakes being applied to mr. james & crew is a major reflection of the immoral act perpetrated on the city. the next council meeting should be packed with citizens facing their alleged leaders and putting their feet over the fire. this is proof that the community has great power, if it chooses to exercise it's right of speech, advocacy, and activism. congrats to the city of newark for standing up to the abuse that now has city hall running for cover.

jazzyken
03-10-2006, 03:51 PM
whether gov. corzine is going through the motions or not, we need to remain indignant toward the attempted theft. the brakes being applied to mr. james & crew is a major reflection of the immoral act perpetrated on the city. the next council meeting should be packed with citizens facing their alleged leaders and putting their feet over the fire. this is proof that the community has great power, if it chooses to exercise it's right of speech, advocacy, and activism. congrats to the city of newark for standing up to the abuse that now has city hall running for cover.

Doesn't this makes you feel great about this website???? If you think about, if this website did not exist, no one in Newark would not have heard no more than a peep... You have to love 5 for having his passion about Newark irregardless if you agree or disagree!!!

Love ya 5 :D

Doofus1
03-10-2006, 04:19 PM
There is a reason why China, Russia, Saudi Arabia heavily censor the Internet. The spread of ideas at such a fast pace is inherently dangerous to any government, particularly ones that are up to no good.

5Reasons
03-10-2006, 06:16 PM
New Newark Gospel Hit Song
Oh When the Thieves
Come Crawlin In
Oh When the Thieves
Come Craw Lin In
I Want To Be
In the Council Chamber
Oh When the Thieves Come Craw Lin In

Oh When the Thieves
Have to Rescind
Oh When the Thieves
Have to RE-SCIND
I Want To Be
In the Council Chamber
Oh When the Thieves Have To Rescind

Oh buddy, my momma taught me that when you’re in a hole STOP DIGGING. This Incompetent Council hasn’t learned that lesson. Next week should be interesting.

Let’s keep the pressure on. Keep contacting the State Attorney General, the DCA, the Mayor, the Incompetent Council, the media et al. Don’t let these thieves get away…none of them. They all, except Gayle, tried to participate in benefiting from these SLUSH/THEFT FUNDS. Got to give Gayle credit for using The Force on this one. Something told her this sh!t wouldn't work. I'm sure she's had a great week at the office.

NO MORE TRICKS IN 2006! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!

DAMN MAN, HAVEN'T YOU STOLEN ENOUGH???

Klap Bak
03-11-2006, 06:30 AM
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WassupNwk
03-11-2006, 10:55 AM
5 ... gayle didn't show up for the vote. i wouldn't necessarily give her credit for being a no show because the jury is out regarding how she would have voted. mr. quintana deserves some credit for changing his mind (not much has been said regarding the about face) and wanting to introduce legislation to stop the heist altogether. mr. quintana hasn't always been viewed as a foundation type leader after so many years in office, however, it does take guts to admit a mistake and then do something about it. to the best of my knowledge ms. chaneyfield-jenkins did nothing and should get no credit for standing up for the people. she may have made commentary about the vote, but she didn't vote. it is like citizens who don't vote have no voice complaining about their government. you voted for the current team by not casting a vote in opposition to them. what do you think 5?

Lakshmi
03-11-2006, 02:51 PM
It is interesting that everyone thinks the solution to crime in Newark is to add more cops. That would be in a perfect world of course where one could count on those who vow to protect and serve to actually do just that. I agree police presence undoubtedly will deter crime; however, the current situation seems to reveal that the police are turning their cheek to crime in Newark, especially in the poorest blackest neighborhoods. Common people, lets hope we don't spend more money on bad cops!

I was about in the Ironbound last night, and I see where all the police are concentrated. Interesting, huh? Every block I turned cars, vans, street walkers of Newark police securing a safe Ironbound, (not to mention my witness of black men being pulled over). Booker sings (literally) all over the place. This is no coincidence to those of us with eyes wide open.

To speak to the $80 mil, there are many ways through community development to deter crime activity and begin to foster a sense of human dignity and bring pride back to the neighborhoods. Believe it or not, in some of the hardest neighborhoods in Camden, the mere act of reforesting the streets brought the community together and in fact according to residents' testimony curtailed crime on these blocks. I'm not saying lets plant some trees and Newark will be aight, but step by step, community development projects, such that enhance recreational opportunities, beautify blighted neighborhoods, fostering familial participation, this sort of stuff brings people together, providing an opportunity for the residents to take ownership back of their neighborhoods and become an integral and indispensable part of the process. As I see it and many other Newarkers, despite the backlash on this site, the $80 mil affords this opportunity. Make sure, by being a part of the process, that this is how the money will be spent.

BTW the whole school voucher thing is a divestment from the City. Taking money out of our schools is only going to make a big problem worse. This really robs the children, the neighborhoods, and any forward moving attempt to make the City better.

As for this site, these posts made by such "intelligent" people chock full of statistics and heartfelt criticism...it surprises me how many of your minds operate in such a confined space. All the talk on this sight is very saddening. The way people are attacking each other, so childish and petty. Its a good tactic to personally attack others in order to doge real issues-- a real Rove/Bushy tactic.

On attacking Councilman Baraka, for what? For being a true voice of the people? Newarkers should recognize how truly fortunate a situation it is to have Councilman Baraka representing. Let’s pray he stays in Council. I think his mere presence on this site attests to he kind of person and leader he is. None of your scandalous words or storytelling can ever ever tarnish his reputation or take away the important visionary and progressive work he has done in/for Newark. Lets see some of you on the streets with (or without) the Councilman pushing up against the ills and evils, face to face, not on some internet blog discourse.

Working together, in agreement and/or disagreement is what is going to move this City forward. Put all your petty ego-ness aside and start operating as a collective for the collective, as our good Councilman Baraka does and will continue to do. Y'all will see. A good leader is not selfish, does not seek personal gain, but rather puts the collective ahead, sometimes to his/her own detriment. I urge, as it has been suggested by others, that those of you so fed up, jaded, tired of being tired, etc. become part of the process, the solution, and show up to Council meetings. Be open minded enough to work with those you may not agree with to come up with solutions that are win-win. There is such a thing you know! It is going to take us working together in an effort to understand one another to move this city forward, to make this place clean, safe, affordable, and attractive for people to live, work, eat and breathe.

5Reasons
03-11-2006, 03:54 PM
Lakey,

Criticism is NOT an attack. Please, at any time, feel free to deal with the 10 points that expose this fraud fund. Please do NOT try to divert attention with issues like "vouchers" since, as you know, MOST PARENTS already practice SCHOOL CHOICE. I notice the nitwits have started to split hairs on this issue, haven't you? Open up a charter school in Newark, with NO TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS, and for every seat avialable, you have no FEWER than 5 applications. Think about, Lakey. People would rather trust their children with a start-up, than with a "proven quantity" in Newark Public Schools. Care to throw out a theory on that? :rolleyes:

I might even belive your "the peoples" crap IF, however, the rulers actually lived the rhetoric. Instead, the RULERS are getting RICH with insider real estate deals, LLC property flipping schemes et al and then they TRY to sell you "the people" crap.

Once again, don't tell me we don't need MORE POLICE when we have FEWER police today (about 200+ fewer) and we have MUCH MORE CRIME today than we did then. Does that make sense to you? More murder, more shootings, more gang members, more than 50 open air drug markets operating in the same place at the same time every day of the week and at the same time we have a Police Chief that says, "Drug dealers are not a priority." Does that make sense to you? The facts is, we have zombies roaming the streets; lost souls that breathing but essentially dead. They are MULTIPLYING by the hundreds if not thousands. Do you really look at these zombies? 85 maybe 95 pounds, clothes every which way, skin ashy, cracked, lips looked like they've punched by Tyson... and this is acceptable?

The fact is, is that I'll LET YOU go out there and explain to people why we don't need more police IN A HURRY. You go sell that to the kids in fear. My goodness, you just read an article where it said that kids, at 3PM, are TOO-SCARED to go to AFTER-SCHOOL TUTORING out of fear of being mugged, robbed, shot and killed. But you don't want a "knee jerk" for more police?

This forum has demonstrated what's wrong with Newark. You "no knee jerk" crowd can go out there and sell them on whatever "peoples" rhetoric that you want to. I know that people, just because they aren't rich, shouldn't have to live as a shut in. That's Newark's current situation under this administration.

I suggest that all of the incumbents begin to think about how they want their picture to be painted and where they want it hung on the wall in the City Council chamber, because the painter is getting ready to add quite a few.

Ras shouldn't have voted for the 80 MILLION dollar slush fund. He betrayed ALL OF NEWARK by voting for this scheme. It won't stand up in court. It was wrong.

thinktank
03-12-2006, 11:27 AM
Lakey,

Criticism is NOT an attack. Please, at any time, feel free to deal with the 10 points that expose this fraud fund. Please do NOT try to divert attention with issues like "vouchers" since, as you know, MOST PARENTS already practice SCHOOL CHOICE. I notice the nitwits have started to split hairs on this issue, haven't you? Open up a charter school in Newark, with NO TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS, and for every seat avialable, you have no FEWER than 5 applications. Think about, Lakey. People would rather trust their children with a start-up, than with a "proven quantity" in Newark Public Schools. Care to throw out a theory on that? :rolleyes:

I might even belive your "the peoples" crap IF, however, the rulers actually lived the rhetoric. Instead, the RULERS are getting RICH with insider real estate deals, LLC property flipping schemes et al and then they TRY to sell you "the people" crap.

Once again, don't tell me we don't need MORE POLICE when we have FEWER police today (about 200+ fewer) and we have MUCH MORE CRIME today than we did then. Does that make sense to you? More murder, more shootings, more gang members, more than 50 open air drug markets operating in the same place at the same time every day of the week and at the same time we have a Police Chief that says, "Drug dealers are not a priority." Does that make sense to you? The facts is, we have zombies roaming the streets; lost souls that breathing but essentially dead. They are MULTIPLYING by the hundreds if not thousands. Do you really look at these zombies? 85 maybe 95 pounds, clothes every which way, skin ashy, cracked, lips looked like they've punched by Tyson... and this is acceptable?

The fact is, is that I'll LET YOU go out there and explain to people why we don't need more police IN A HURRY. You go sell that to the kids in fear. My goodness, you just read an article where it said that kids, at 3PM, are TOO-SCARED to go to AFTER-SCHOOL TUTORING out of fear of being mugged, robbed, shot and killed. But you don't want a "knee jerk" for more police?

This forum has demonstrated what's wrong with Newark. You "no knee jerk" crowd can go out there and sell them on whatever "peoples" rhetoric that you want to. I know that people, just because they aren't rich, shouldn't have to live as a shut in. That's Newark's current situation under this administration.

I suggest that all of the incumbents begin to think about how they want their picture to be painted and where they want it hung on the wall in the City Council chamber, because the painter is getting ready to add quite a few.

Ras shouldn't have voted for the 80 MILLION dollar slush fund. He betrayed ALL OF NEWARK by voting for this scheme. It won't stand up in court. It was wrong.

Criticism ??? You are more cynical than anything....with that said you have always been attacking Ras every minute you get. Are you jealous, is it personal you and your pro-cop anti community group. Everytime somebody enters this thread with positive words to bring all the name calling and over exxagerated rehetoric to a halt, you become the cynic that you are.
You are obviously bias towards him, for what I dont know....but one could speculate and say that your mission is to discredit ras and bring in outsiders not newarkers to run this city. You ever heard the saying; the missionaries came to africa with religion and left with the land!!!!

RAS VOTED FOR THE 80 MIL we know this ...with the intent for it to go into the community, now the state halted it, lose lose situation because negroes are concerned about who is on the board of NON PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS ....but you can only judge peoples present actions and intent based on thier past record. What is RAS BARAKA record PEACE TREATY BETWEEN BLOODS AND CRIPS, MORATORIUM ON DEVELOPEMENT IN THE CITY, ARRESTED TO GET THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AT CITY HALL, HE STANDS UP FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION, SPARKED MEN GROUPS TO NOW STAND UP IN THEIR COMMUNITYAGAINST VIOLENCE( starledger), FORMED COMMITEE ON VIOLENCE, BROUGHT ISSUES BACK TO THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL (94 run for mayor),HE PUTS HIS SELF ON THE LINE EVERYDAY AT WEEQUAHIC HIGH, HE NOW HAS A BARAKA YOUTH TEAM FOCUSING THE YOUTH ON POLITICAL ISSUES, RAS WAS BORN INTO POLITICS, SERVED AS DEPUTY MAYOR WITHOUT PAY, BUT YOU CONTINUE TO QUESTION HIS INTEGRITY, I DONT UNDERSTAND. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER PEOPLES RECORDS WHO BEEN THERE 12 to 20 YEARS NOT SOMEONE WHO BEEN THIER 2 MONTHS...WHAT A JOKE YOU ANTI_YOUTH NEGROES ARE

WHOEVER STARTED THIS SITE NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO COUNCILMAN BARAKA ENTITLING IT RAS BARKA SOLD US OUT NO!!!!NO!!!! YOU SOLD US OUT BY TAKING THE LOW ROAD WITH PATHETIC LIES AND BS. THE ONLY THING YOU EXPOSED IS HOW MUCH YOU HATE YOURSELF AND HOW MUCH FAITH YOU HAVE IN NEW LEADERSHIP>>>YOU DONT WANT NEW LEADERSHIP YOU WANT NO OLD TRICKS YOU WANT YOUR TRICKS. PLEASE YOU NEED TO BE SLAPPED INTO REALITY.

Baraka is not against more cops stop changing his words around sir he said that evrytime politicians talk about crime the answer is we need more cops....he said we should look deeper into the social aspect of crime and formed a commitee to investigate it..

YOUR TRICKS ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN CHEANYFIELD, QUINTANA, AMADOR AND MS. CRUMP THEY ONLY APPEAR WHEN ITS SAFE

5Reasons
03-12-2006, 11:51 AM
Thinky,

Now because I challenge Ras for voting for an 80 MILLION DOLLAR SLUSH FUND that makes me dangerous? In fact, can you describe how I'm dangerous? I'm still trying to figure this out. I know that I was banned at the Newark Housing Authority when I started in on Lucas's spending schemes. And, I know that Dow has banned Newarkspeaks at the County. I know at one time that Newarkspeaks was censored in most Newark Public Libraries (You had to ask for special permission to get on the site).

Now I find the debate here to be extremely intelligent, sometimes raucus, but usually focused and most threads stay on topic. In fact, I find that most news sources regularly check in on Newarkspeaks to get clues on what's going on (that's modern journalism.) In fact, I would say that we're a major source.

What, exactly, is it that makes me dangerous? Perhaps my intelligence? Maybe my inability to obey the propaganda of the elected thieves? Or it could be that I actually believe in DEMOCRACY, and hence view the PEOPLE as inherently where the power lies? Meaning, I can dispense with the ceremonial crap that you wish to bestow on community servant Ras.

I admit that I do OFTEN QUOTE PEOPLE USING THEIR OWN WORDS. I apologize if when I do this it makes certain people look dumb. For example, I didn't make Chief Bradley say, "Drug dealers are NOT a priority." I didn't make him then say, "Drug dealers have civil liberties too." Do you agree that "drug dealers have civil liberties?" I didn't make Sharpe James say, "This is the GREATEST IDEA in the HISTORY of Newark" when referencing his slush funds. Nor did I make him say, "I'm doing the Lord's work." My goodness, anyone that has known Sharpe KNOWS that the LAST PERSON'S WORK HE'S DOING IS "The Lord." I didn't make Dow put up the "Don't Shoot" posters. I didn't make TE2 come on this forum and type]"I got 501 C God"[/[/COLOR]B] status. I didn't make Ras say[B] "knee jerk" with respect to the GROSS UNDERSTAFFING of police in this city. The fact that he could even use the words "knee jerk" when it comes to police and crime KNOWING that our crime stats are severely fixed and that NEXT YEAR, once Booker is in office, that it's all going to hit the fan, is his own flaw. I also didn't make Ras shout, "Don't You Know Who I am?" when berating an NPD officer. But to continue, I didn't make James say, "They ain't shootin' at me." And, I didn't make Mamie say, "We did a good job" when referencing their budget that they passed that contained a 4% tax hike and was 11 and a half months LATE. Two weeks later, having balanced the budget on loans from Master Charlie, this Incompetent Council then set aside $100,000 for Happy News stories. And finally, I didn't make a Newark SCHOOL TEACHER come on this forum and make anti-gay references. :mad:

Again, I apologize for quoting our leadership. I don't know what gets into me. Why I am dangerous? Now the fact that Newarkspeaks, amongst its many functions, has been to become Newark's most powerful e-watchdog community is something that's not going to change -- unless that Pol in Trenton gets his way. I, frankly, think this forum has done far more good for Newark's democracy than harm. I think the membership, the frequency of viewers, and the overall level of discourse are proof of that.

thinktank
03-12-2006, 12:18 PM
Thinky,

Now because I challenge Ras for voting for an 80 MILLION DOLLAR SLUSH FUND that makes me dangerous? In fact, can you describe how I'm dangerous? I'm still trying to figure this out. I know that I was banned at the Newark Housing Authority when I started in on Lucas's spending schemes. And, I know that Dow has banned Newarkspeaks at the County. I know at one time that Newarkspeaks was censored in most Newark Public Libraries (You had to ask for special permission to get on the site).

Now I find the debate here to be extremely intelligent, sometimes raucus, but usually focused and most threads stay on topic. In fact, I find that most news sources regularly check in on Newarkspeaks to get clues on what's going on (that's modern journalism.) In fact, I would say that we're a major source.

What, exactly, is it that makes me dangerous? Perhaps my intelligence? Maybe my inability to NOT obey the propaganda of the elected thieves? Or it could be that I actually believe in DEMOCRACY, and hence view the PEOPLE as inherently where the power lies? Meaning, I can dispense with the ceremonial crap that you wish to bestow on community servant Ras.

I admit that I do OFTEN QUOTE PEOPLE USING THEIR OWN WORDS. I apologize if when I do this it makes certain people look dumb. For example, I didn't make Chief Bradley say, "Drug dealers are NOT a priority." I didn't make him then say, "Drug dealers have civil liberties too." Do you agree that "drug dealers have civil liberties?" I didn't make Sharpe James say, "This is the GREATEST IDEA in the HISTORY of Newark" when referencing his slush funds. Nor did I make him say, "I'm doing the Lord's work." My goodness, anyone that has known Sharpe KNOWS that the LAST PERSON'S WORK HE'S DOING IS "The Lord." I didn't make Dow put up the "Don't Shoot" posters. I didn't make TE2 come on this forum and type]"I got 501 C God"[/[/COLOR]B] status. I didn't make Ras say[B] "knee jerk" with respect to the GROSS UNDERSTAFFING of police in this city. The fact that he could even use the words "knee jerk" when it comes to police and crime KNOWING that our crime stats are severely fixed and that NEXT YEAR, once Booker is in office, that it's all going to hit the fan, is his own flaw. I also didn't make Ras shout, "Don't You Know Who I am?" when berating an NPD officer. But to continue, I didn't make James say, "They ain't shootin' at me." And, I didn't make Mamie say, "We did a good job" when referencing their budget that they passed that contained a 4% tax hike and was 11 and a half months LATE. Two weeks later, having balanced the budget on loans from Master Charlie, this Incompetent Council then set aside $100,000 for Happy News stories. And finally, I didn't make a Newark SCHOOL TEACHER come on this forum and make anti-gay references. :mad:

Again, I apologize for quoting our leadership. I don't know what gets into me. Why I am dangerous? Now the fact that Newarkspeaks, amongst its many functions, has been to become Newark's most powerful e-watchdog community is something that's not going to change -- unless that Pol in Trenton gets his way. I, frankly, think this forum has done far more good for Newark's democracy than harm. I think the membership, the frequency of viewers, and the overall level of discourse are proof of that.
Newarkspeaks is a good thing....however when you misquote, misinterpret and discredit people whose family put thier own livlihood on the line for this town and people to exist is crazy...If their wasnt no barakas black and puerto-rican politics would have no representation( read Komosi Woodard book Nation within a Nation) Ras is not a traditional politician he does not hide behind votes and legislation he out there for real........**** he even came onto this site and defended himself....Im gl;ad you exposed harold Lucas, Sharpe James, and all these old politricks....Now expose BOOKER.

5Reasons
03-12-2006, 12:24 PM
Once Booker gets elected, I'll expose that crew too. :D There are lots of great targets - Pablo and a few others. But they haven't been elected dog catcher yet. You can rest assure that I will NOT REST once the Booker Era begins.

Again, the 80 MILLION VOTE WAS WRONG. It was unethical, illegal and it was done using the worst sort of persuasion. Ras can simply say, "I was wrong." Every POLITICIAN votes for crap that they look back and say, "What the he11 was I thinking?" And again, the reason I feel as though Ras has caught it more than other ISN'T BECAUSE OF POLITICS, it is because he has ESTABLISHED A REPUTATION for MORE public participation. He has more than a DECADE of rhetoric on this subject and yet, in this HUGE VOTE, he betrayed his MOST BASIC stance. He made a mistake. He11, we all do. He should just fess up and MOVE ON.

thinktank
03-12-2006, 12:35 PM
Once Booker gets elected, I'll expose that crew too. :D There are lots of great targets - Pablo and a few others. But they haven't been elected dog catcher yet. You can rest assure that I will NOT REST once the Booker Era begins.

Again, the 80 MILLION VOTE WAS WRONG. It was unethical, illegal and it was done using the worst sort of persuasion. Ras can simply say, "I was wrong." Every POLITICIAN votes for crap that they look back and say, "What the he11 was I thinking?" And again, the reason I feel as though Ras has caught it more than other ISN'T BECAUSE OF POLITICS, it is because he has ESTABLISHED A REPUTATION for MORE public participation. He has more than a DECADE of rhetoric on this subject and yet, in this HUGE VOTE, he betrayed his MOST BASIC stance. He made a mistake. He11, we all do. He should just fess up and MOVE ON.
FEss to what???? Voting for money in the community....I hope he dont because I know alot of areas that are in need of the funds...Its only slush funds because we dont like who serves on these non-profits...its not slush its needed in the worst way

5Reasons
03-12-2006, 12:37 PM
You are the official SHILL of the week with this. Please refer back to the 10 points post. If you need help, I'll re-post it for you.

They were SLUSH FUNDS. They will not STAND UP in court. Are these slush funds WORTH a promising career? Is it worth it? So, you dig in your heels if you want to; the Incompetent Council needs to start thinking about how their picture is going to look on the walls of the Council chamber.

They still don't get it.

thinktank
03-12-2006, 12:42 PM
You are the official SHILL of the week with this. Please refer back to the 10 points post. If you need help, I'll re-post it for you.

They were SLUSH FUNDS. They will not STAND UP in court. Are these slush funds WORTH a promising career? Is it worth it? So, you dig in your heels if you want to; the Incompetent Council needs to start thinking about how their picture is going to look on the walls of the Council chamber.

They still don't get it.
10 points please I read that garbage.......
slush according to you, Dont generalize it makes you seem more naive than you really is....

5Reasons
03-12-2006, 12:50 PM
Again I ask: what makes ME dangerous? And, what should be done about dangerous people like myself?

WassupNwk
03-12-2006, 01:11 PM
thinktank, are you absorbing any of the points being shared on this forum? mr. baraka has received push back and a wake up call that should serve him well going forward. if he doesn't pay attention to this experience, then he'll deserve more of the same. 5Reasons quoted many officials that made comments that condemn their intellect as sorely challeged. yet all you see is mr. baraka being vilified. the point has been validated with the state having to step in. doesn't that mean anything to you? our elected officials committed a poor decision, and other checks and balances are interceding. that demonstrates we didn't take care of public policy in an ethical manner. you are doing mr. baraka a disservice when you heap insults on forum members who respond to your comments with RESPECT. please keep in mind that you represent mr. baraka when you behave good or bad. just as any of us represent what we believe in. we've exchanged barbs, however, the bottom line is that we could'nt call ourselves a society if we all spoke insulting words with every exchange.

thinktank
03-12-2006, 11:59 PM
thinktank, are you absorbing any of the points being shared on this forum? mr. baraka has received push back and a wake up call that should serve him well going forward. if he doesn't pay attention to this experience, then he'll deserve more of the same. 5Reasons quoted many officials that made comments that condemn their intellect as sorely challeged. yet all you see is mr. baraka being vilified. the point has been validated with the state having to step in. doesn't that mean anything to you? our elected officials committed a poor decision, and other checks and balances are interceding. that demonstrates we didn't take care of public policy in an ethical manner. you are doing mr. baraka a disservice when you heap insults on forum members who respond to your comments with RESPECT. please keep in mind that you represent mr. baraka when you behave good or bad. just as any of us represent what we believe in. we've exchanged barbs, however, the bottom line is that we could'nt call ourselves a society if we all spoke insulting words with every exchange.
Sorry sir or madam I just dont agree with you and i have that right...THE STATE IS NOT ALWAYS CORRECT>>>IT WAS THE STATE AND GOVERNMENT THAT DESTROYED OUR NATIONAL LEADERS AND ORGANIZATIONS... Our bickering allowed the state to came in now its a lose lose situation no money for comunities because we are so concerned with two non profit (get it non profit) organizations, this is the election year, whos on the board, but the saddest thing of it all is that our community suffers.....and will continue to do so because we always over intelletualize isssues that need not to be....The fact remains the money is needed in all the areas councilman laid out in the other thread but since sharpe created it and put himself on the board and someone gave out false info about whether council people was re-elected or not they still will have control over the money you and your booker missionaries or sharpe henchmen have a problem....5 reasons obviously has a personal agenda and whoever started this thread about baraka sold out is a lunatic or just plain stupid.....sold out for voting for money that is sorely needed for our city....NO one has shown respect to the barakas yet what thread are you reading....Sometimes I disagree with the councilman but I know that he has our best interest based on his past record and fam history...what more can you say...you got people on here disrespecting and I wont have it not even a little bit

5Reasons
03-13-2006, 06:27 AM
Thinky,

What is it that makes ME dangerous? Can you please answer the question? And, what should be done about dangerous people like myself?

Look, we are know you are part of the small, weird Cult of Ras or worse, your job depends on Ras. That's no way to advance democracy in Newark. This thread is called "Ras sold us out" because that's what he did when he voted for an 80 MILLION DOLLAR SLUSH FUND. If you can't adjust to this colosal mistake, Ras should start thinking about how he wants his picture painted.

What should be done about people like me?

thinktank
03-14-2006, 12:24 AM
Thinky,

What is it that makes ME dangerous? Can you please answer the question? And, what should be done about dangerous people like myself?

Look, we are know you are part of the small, weird Cult of Ras or worse, your job depends on Ras. That's no way to advance democracy in Newark. This thread is called "Ras sold us out" because that's what he did when he voted for an 80 MILLION DOLLAR SLUSH FUND. If you can't adjust to this colosal mistake, Ras should start thinking about how he wants his picture painted.

What should be done about people like me?
People like you should read more ......Maybe the cynical comments will turn to factual statements

WassupNwk
03-14-2006, 11:19 AM
a man is literally what he thinks. it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. RESPECT ... you are embarassing mr. baraka.

Maximus
03-14-2006, 11:50 AM
Thinky,

What is it that makes ME dangerous? Can you please answer the question? And, what should be done about dangerous people like myself?

Look, we are know you are part of the small, weird Cult of Ras or worse, your job depends on Ras. That's no way to advance democracy in Newark. This thread is called "Ras sold us out" because that's what he did when he voted for an 80 MILLION DOLLAR SLUSH FUND. If you can't adjust to this colosal mistake, Ras should start thinking about how he wants his picture painted.

What should be done about people like me?

5,

Given Ras' socialist leanings I think he would prefer that you be..."re-educated". Camps for this purpose were erected in communist countries to make "dangerous" citizens more complient.

Klap Bak
03-14-2006, 12:13 PM
5,

Given Ras' socialist leanings I think he would prefer that you be..."re-educated". Camps for this purpose were erected in communist countries to make "dangerous" citizens more complient.

302

See what they did to our good brother Ras?????

JoefromPGH
03-14-2006, 02:06 PM
Ahhhh....this is one heckuva thread and if one looks at all of the posts the conclusion is no matter how that $80 million is to be used, there will always be people objecting.

A point I'd like to make is if you gave the choice to the people, the majority would vote to use it to lower their taxes for one year. The majority of Newark residents don't post here but I can sense their "what's in it for me" thinking because that is how most Americans think.

Still, I wish the mayor and council had put the issue to the people. And in the end, the way I look at it, the mayor and council, by leveraging the money, will reap far more for the city than if they used the money to plug to the current year's budger.

That said, obviously this could have waited till after the election but there are other agenda's here too.

We can stammer and pout all we want but in the end, as long as the money is used as intended, its designnated purposes will benefit Newark. Isn't that the MOST important thing?

John360
03-14-2006, 02:11 PM
Even his two candidates voted for the 30 million dollars. Because like the rest of there Council colleagues they realize all of the positive benefits that will come from that kind of money in the neighborhoods. And that is what it is about.

So basically you're saying that the ends always justify the means.

So I say that you all on this site who hide behind an anonymous web site persona, bring something to the table. I challege you to bring something to the table. Propose something new and innovative. Come to a council meeting and be heard. Oh that may be like asking boys and girls to grow up and be men and women before they are ready to do so...

Here's something innovative: not breaking the law.

black4rob2
03-14-2006, 03:41 PM
.. Our bickering allowed the state to came in now its a lose lose situation no money for comunities because we are so concerned with two non profit (get it non profit) organizations, this is the election year, whos on the board, but the saddest thing of it all is that our community suffers.....and will continue to do so because we always over intelletualize isssues that need not to be....


Are you really going to sit here and continue to insult are (Newarkers) intelligence with this crap... You sound worse than a use car salesman....
The organization is non profit....but who will get the contract to do these developments, who will choose who gets the contract.....Is it going to RFP????

I have a feeling you won't answer the question straight up.....

Too busy trying to cover up Ras....(What's sad is that I'm sure he hopes you would stop.....)

thinktank
03-14-2006, 05:17 PM
Are you really going to sit here and continue to insult are (Newarkers) intelligence with this crap... You sound worse than a use car salesman....
The organization is non profit....but who will get the contract to do these developments, who will choose who gets the contract.....Is it going to RFP????

I have a feeling you won't answer the question straight up.....

Too busy trying to cover up Ras....(What's sad is that I'm sure he hopes you would stop.....)
iM SURE YOU WILL STOP YOUR NONSENSE....WHY DONT YOU GET SOPME OF YOUR BOOKER ASSOCIATES TO GET THE CONTRACTS SINCE YOU KNOW WHOS GONNA GET THE CONTRACTS......ISNT BLACK ROB ON BADBOY ?? GO CUT A ALBUM....

jazzyken
03-14-2006, 05:40 PM
iM SURE YOU WILL STOP YOUR NONSENSE....WHY DONT YOU GET SOPME OF YOUR BOOKER ASSOCIATES TO GET THE CONTRACTS SINCE YOU KNOW WHOS GONNA GET THE CONTRACTS......ISNT BLACK ROB ON BADBOY ?? GO CUT A ALBUM....
Hey Think... back it up baby... please don't even go there.

Doofus1
03-14-2006, 05:48 PM
WHY DONT YOU GET SOPME OF YOUR BOOKER ASSOCIATES TO GET THE CONTRACTS SINCE YOU KNOW WHOS GONNA GET THE CONTRACTS......I

Well, if Ras wins, he'll have a say in this won't he? That's the point of having a guy on the council like Ras, a known fighter of the establishment. Except this time, he appears to have caved to Sharpe and his cronies. Maye he can make up for it by being a pain in Cory's proverbial behind.