Mayor BOOKER......WHY HAVEN'T YOU DECLARED A STATE/CITY OF EMERGENCY??

[Thewifeofapopo]

I AM AWARE THAT ONLY THE GOVERNOR CAN DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, HOWEVER, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO PUT THE FIRE UNDER HIS BUTT!! DO YOU NEED THE CITIZENS TO ASSIST??? IF SO, PLEASE LET US KNOW!!


CAN YOU HAVE THE NPD ENFORCE THE CURFEW LAWS AS WELL AS THE BAR/CLUB CLOSING LAWS?? CAN YOU IMPLEMENT A LAW TO HAVE EVERYONE OFF THE STREETS BEFORE MIDNIGHT, AT LEAST UNTIL WE SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT.

[Miss Tam-Tam]

CAN YOU ENFORCE THE CURFEW LAWS?? AND THE BAR/CLUB CLOSING LAWS?? CAN YOU IMPLEMENT A LAW TO HAVE EVERYONE OFF THE STREETS BEFORE MIDNIGHT, AT LEAST UNTIL WE SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT.

I think we are now averaging a little over two murders a week. I have to agree with you on this, Wifey, I think it is time to look at some type of curfew in Newark. Half measures are availing us nothing. It's easy for me to say what Booker should or shouldn't do. I'm not the Mayor. But Mayor Booker must comfort the people of the city of Newark. The psychological impact of these shootings is devastating and destroying the fabric of this city. The young mother gunned down on Springfield Avenue was planning to flee to Virginia from Newark in order to save her children from this mayhem. Rudolph Giuliani didn't lessen the impact of what happened in New York City on September 11th, 2001. But he gave the people confidence in his ability to lead, to be there on the front line doing all that he possibly could.

[TayoMan5]

I AM AWARE THAT ONLY THE GOVERNOR CAN DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, HOWEVER, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO PUT THE FIRE UNDER HIS BUTT!! DO YOU NEED THE CITIZENS TO ASSIST??? IF SO, PLEASE LET US KNOW!!


CAN YOU ENFORCE THE CURFEW LAWS?? AND THE BAR/CLUB CLOSING LAWS?? CAN YOU IMPLEMENT A LAW TO HAVE EVERYONE OFF THE STREETS BEFORE MIDNIGHT, AT LEAST UNTIL WE SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT.


THESE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS!!



YES THE MAYOR/GOVERNOR HAS A ROLE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL'S WHO COMMIT THE CRIMES... THE GANG MEMBERS, THE DRUG DEALERS, THE THUGS, AND destroyers OF OUR COMMUNITY. BEFORE WE LOOK FOR THE governor's declaration of a state of emergency, what about finding concrete solutions to rid our community of all the unnecessary evil ILLS THAT CORRUPT AND INFEST OUR neighborhood with crime.

ALSO INDIVIDUALS NEED TO THINK THAT ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE IS VALUABLE.


For crime to abate, poverty has to be addressed-- economic disenfranchisment is a major cause of crime activity and violence.. JOBS, AFTERSHOOL PROGRAMS, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IS NEEEDED IN NEWARK. COURSES ON THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM NEED TO BE TAUGHT TO OUR KIDS.. IF THEY CONTINUE TO KILL EACH OTHER, THEY WOULD BECOME A SLAVE IN PRISON OR HAVE A PLACE oN DEATH ROW.

[Thewifeofapopo]

YES THE MAYOR/GOVERNOR HAS A ROLE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL'S WHO COMMIT THE CRIMES... THE GANG MEMBERS, THE DRUG DEALERS, THE THUGS, AND destroyers OF OUR COMMUNITY. BEFORE WE LOOK FOR THE governor's declaration of a state of emergency, what about finding concrete solutions to rid our community of all the unnecessary evil ILLS THAT CORRUPT AND INFEST OUR neighborhood with crime.

ALSO INDIVIDUALS NEED TO THINK THAT ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE IS VALUABLE.


For crime to abate, poverty has to be addressed-- economic disenfranchisment is a major cause of crime activity and violence.. JOBS, AFTERSHOOL PROGRAMS, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IS NEEEDED IN NEWARK. COURSES ON THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM NEED TO BE TAUGHT TO OUR KIDS.. IF THEY CONTINUE TO KILL EACH OTHER, THEY WOULD BECOME A SLAVE IN PRISON OR HAVE A PLACE oN DEATH ROW.




out the good from the bad, at least by enforcing the curfew LAWS, this will keep innocent victims out of harms way. WHAT YOU STATED IS MUCH NEEDED, BUT AT THIS POINT WE MUST PROTECT THE INNOCENT!!!


THE GANG BANGERS AND DRUG DEALERS ARE NOT HEARING...... GO TO SCHOOL, OR GET A JOB RIGHT NOW!!!........SO IN ORDER TO PROTECT OUR INNOCENT CITIZENS, WE MUST ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS!!! CURFEW LAWS..........BAR/CLUB CLOSING LAWS, ETC..ETC...


Everyone should be off the street before midnight! WE AS CITIZENS HAVE TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS.


IT'S UNFORTUNATE, THAT THE YOUNG LADY MENTIONED IN THE OTHER THREAD WAS GUNNED DOWN AFTER LEAVING A BAR! IT'S A SHAME WE CAN'T ENJOY AN OUTING WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT BEING GUNNED DOWN!!!

[Miss Tam-Tam]

For crime to abate, poverty has to be addressed-- economic disenfranchisment is a major cause of crime activity and violence.. JOBS, AFTERSHOOL PROGRAMS, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IS NEEEDED IN NEWARK. COURSES ON THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM NEED TO BE TAUGHT TO OUR KIDS.. IF THEY CONTINUE TO KILL EACH OTHER, THEY WOULD BECOME A SLAVE IN PRISON OR HAVE A PLACE oN DEATH ROW.

I agree wholeheartedly. The immediate need, however, is a stopgap against the killings taking place today. At this moment, Newark is in a state of emergency.

The only safe ship in a storm is leadership. ~ Faye Wattleton

[karimah]

Wifey and newarkspeaks

As far as the curfew is concerned, the curfew is only in effect for the juveniles, the city can not issue a curfew for adults unless it's a state of emergency and this is not the case. For now if you think you would be safer leaving the club or bar at 1:30 am then the choice is yours. As far as Wifey mention about gangbanger not listening or going to school, you have some gangbangers trying to attend school (weequahic h.s.) and folks are bashing them and basically saying they dont belong their , so which is it, do they deserve a second chance or not.

As far as us looking out for each other, here's a plan, why dont we all take some time out and write the governor a letter ourshelves, if the mayor is not responding to us in a timely manner, then why dont we write him a letter and CC: the mayor, after all we have to take back our own streets, because the mayor , police director have protection around the clock.


Office of the Governor
P.O. Box 001
Trenton, NJ 08625

609-292-6000


TE, I have a question to ask you as well as Councilman Rice, since both of you have influence in the community can anyone if not both of you get a petition going to the governor to have him get some monies into newark to help cease fire and restore the quality of life that all tax payers derserve, We will awake your response.

[5Reasons]

I guess the question should be: when do you declare Nwk in a state of emergency? What are the benchmarks when those conditions have arrived?

[karimah]

When you think about it, Newark is not really in a state of emergency , since NY is at 500 + murders.

The only time Newark would be declared such if we take to the streets and take our neighborhoods back by any means necessary. Believe me if you never seen national guards before you would see them then, we have so much power as a community that we all let our personal agenda's get in the way of the real cause. Quality of life issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LastCubanStanding]

When you think about it, Newark is not really in a state of emergency , since NY is at 500 + murders.

The only time Newark would be declared such if we take to the streets and take our neighborhoods back by any means necessary. Believe me if you never seen national guards before you would see them then, we have so much power as a community that we all let our personal agenda's get in the way of the real cause. Quality of life issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Karimah, NY has 8,000,000 residents. If they were at the same pace as Newark, they would have 3,077 murders this year. You need to compare murders per capita.

[karimah]

Well Cuban , that's my point, compare to New York's stat, they would need assistance before we would.

[LastCubanStanding]

Well Cuban , that's my point, compare to New York's stat, they would need assistance before we would.


Uh, no. Oh, forget it.

[Doofus1]

Some criteria for armed intervention:

1. Open gang and criminal warfare.
2. Police forces ineffective or corrupt.
3. Streets unsafe to the point where children are not going to school, people are not going to work.
4. Neighboring towns are blockading streets.
5. Employers are moving out.
6. Residential property values plummet by 35% or more, destroying what little savings the middle class had.
7. Vigilantes are patrolling the streets in lieu of police.


I don't think we are anywhere close to this. Yes, we have some open gang warfare and there are some anti-Newark blockades, but I don't think the rest of this has happened yet.

[TE2]

Sister Karimah Cease Fire gets Millions in Grants and Funding already from the Goverment and other intities, I say all the Time that It is not the Money that makes the Diffrence, but the people who are willing to take a Stance, and want to live, and see a better Community & Neighborhood.

With all the Dollars doled out to the Many organizations we should not have any problem in our community not only the violence problem, but Jobs, Health care, Addiction programs (Rehabiltation centers) in our community, recreation, Trade skill training, Parenting skills, outreach programs, etc.

But the problem is that these organizations take the Monies and creates Salaries for themselfs, set up offices for themselfs, hire Family and Friends get comfortiable, Fat, and Lazy and stop working for the people, many of them think that they can solve the communities Ill's by sitting and typing on a computer terminal, and that will never be the solution.

With all the Violence and Killing going on in this City how many of those money getting groups/ organizations have you seen taking it to the streets.

Now on the other hand those groups that are not getting paid are out there on a regular basis putting their lives on the line going into the hood, and doing what they can with what they Got.

Question How much Money can you give a Person group/ organization to help his People.
1 Million, 5 Millon, 19 Million 25 Million, How many RFPs MUST ONE FILE TO HELP HIS PEOPLE, just curious.

We already have family members who are mad, and angry and want to meet with the Mayor & Corzine.

But do you think that with 100 plus Murders that the residents of Newark need to be just as Outraged as the people in New York after the Death of Sean Bell, people need to be Downtown on the steps of City hall with signs 99,100,101,102 Demanding answers.

Why are not some of those granted organizations doing that, or are they waiting for Enough Is Enough Coalition.

Check out new forum on www.enoughisenoughcoalition.com Home page register and lets Talk

[karimah]

TE,

When i mention Cease fire I was not speaking of the organizations, i actually was speaking of what i want for the city to do and that is to cease fire. From what im told, Cease fire has made an impact on their presence and the governor has started such organizations in trenton and i camden(not sure) but as it was told Cease fire was doing well. Especially for irvington residents.

But again if all the money does not work, which keep in mind if going to private organizations, take that money and hire us more man power.

[jazzyken]

Sister Karimah Cease Fire gets Millions in Grants and Funding already from the Goverment and other intities, I say all the Time that It is not the Money that makes the Diffrence, but the people who are willing to take a Stance, and want to live, and see a better Community & Neighborhood.

With all the Dollars doled out to the Many organizations we should not have any problem in our community not only the violence problem, but Jobs, Health care, Addiction programs (Rehabiltation centers) in our community, recreation, Trade skill training, Parenting skills, outreach programs, etc.

But the problem is that these organizations take the Monies and creates Salaries for themselfs, set up offices for themselfs, hire Family and Friends get comfortiable, Fat, and Lazy and stop working for the people, many of them think that they can solve the communities Ill's by sitting and typing on a computer terminal, and that will never be the solution.

With all the Violence and Killing going on in this City how many of those money getting groups/ organizations have you seen taking it to the streets.

Now on the other hand those groups that are not getting paid are out there on a regular basis putting their lifes on the line going into the hood and doing what they can with what they Got.

Question How much Money can you give a Person group/ organization to help his People.
1 Million, 5 Millon, 19 Million 25 Million, How many RFPs MUST ONE FILE TO HELP HIS PEOPLE, just curious.

We already have family members who are mad, and angry and want to meet with the Mayor & Corzine.

But do you think that with 100 plus Murders that the residents of Newark need to be just as Outraged as the people in New York after the Death of Sean Bell, people need to be Downtown on the steps of City hall with signs 99,100,101,102 Demanding answers.

Why are not some of those granted organizations doing that, or are they waiting for Enough Is Enough Coalition.
:D THIS IS THE FUNNIEST POST EVER!!!!:D

[karimah]

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/

[LastCubanStanding]

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/chfdept/cs001pct.pdf


What is your point?

[karimah]

It's called information, others may want to see the stats on crime in ny, i know you have the all the answers, but others may just be interested.


Thank You

[5Reasons]

Gang, I was in Philly for a good portion of last week and just so happened to catch a few of their news programs. When describing their record murder rate, they've labeled these segments "Philly in crisis." Newark's murder rate, per capita, is signficantly higher than Philly so what does that tell ya?:rolleyes:

The news shows say that Philly has something like 350 murders this year and they're decrying the violence. Well if you project out Newark's murder rate that would be equal out to about 525, in other words about 50% HIGHER than Philly.

[LastCubanStanding]

It's called information, others may want to see the stats on crime in ny, i know you have the all the answers, but others may just be interested.


Thank You

I hope you understand that Newark's murder rate is over 6X that of NYC.

[ProSouth]

Well Cuban , that's my point, compare to New York's stat, they would need assistance before we would.I think you miss the point.....

Newark has 200,000+ residents with 100 murders.

NYC has 8,000,000 residents with 500 murders.

By these numbers with 100 murders Newark has 1 murder for every 2000 residents.
With 500 murders NYC has only 1 murder for every 16000 residents.

Based upon these numbers we are worst off statistically.

[Miss Tam-Tam]

I hope you understand that Newark's murder rate is over 6X that of NYC.

What Cuban said. Crime statistics, as Cuban indicated, are largely calculated based on population. Here's a link that demonstrates how this maxim is used. Because Newark's population is far lower than New York's, that makes our crime rate far higher.

If you took the number of murders committed in New York state, and transferred that number to a state such as Wyoming -- with sparse population -- then Wyoming would have an inordinately high murder rate because there are far fewer people living there.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/

[karimah]

I think you miss the point.....

Newark has 200,000+ residents with 100 murders.

NYC has 8,000,000 residents with 500 murders.

By these numbers Newark has 1 murder for every 2000 residents.
NYC only has 1 murder for every 16000 residents.

Based upon these numbers we are worst off statistically.


Brother Pro,


I didnt miss the point, give me a second, still doing the math.


Thank You

[TE2]

I was stating that they are recieving Monies I help with getting Cease Fire Starting 3 years ago, Rev. Osborn, Lorie Scott pickens, Dan an others model their program out of outreach in Chicago, and Newark.

Not saying anything bad about ceasfire please don't get me wrong, matter of fact Cobelstone records which is a member of Enough Is Enough Coalition (STK) Stop the Killing Production are also members of Cease Fire, Cobelstone and cease fire have done several colabrative efforts with us together, going into the schools, community events etc, getting out the Message Cease Fire Enough Is Enough-----------------------------

FYI THE THEME OF THIS YEARS AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE PARADE/ FESTIVAL IS CEASEFIRE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...

[LastCubanStanding]

Brother Pro,


I didnt miss the point, give me a second, still doing the math.


Thank You

Is that where all the smoke is coming from? Use the cash register.

[CaptainJim59]

I hope you understand that Newark's murder rate is over 6X that of NYC.

Cuban, it is too frustrating!

[Thewifeofapopo]

I was stating that they are recieving Monies I help with getting Cease Fire Starting 3 years ago, Rev. Osborn, Lorie Scott pickens, Dan an others model their program out of outreach in Chicago, and Newark.

Not saying anything bad about ceasfire please don't get me wrong, matter of fact Cobelstone records which is a member of Enough Is Enough Coalition (STK) Stop the Killing Production are also members of Cease Fire, Cobelstone and cease fire have done several colabrative efforts with us together, going into the schools, community events etc, getting out the Message Cease Fire Enough Is Enough-----------------------------

FYI THE THEME OF THIS YEARS AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE PARADE/ FESTIVAL IS CEASEFIRE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...





WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, CEASE FIRE DIDN'T WORK 3 YEARS AGO, AND IT'S NOT WORKING NOW!!! I THINK SOMEONE ASKED A BETTER QUESTION, THAT BEING......... WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR OUR MAYOR/GOVERNOR TO DECLARE NEWARK A STATE OF EMERGENCY??


HOW MANY BODIES WILL "YOU" ALL CONTINUE TO COUNT?? WE KNOW THE NUMBERS, NOW LET'S FIND SOLUTIONS!!

[5Reasons]

Karimah,

In NYC's worst days, during the early Stinkin Dinkin years, they recorded, I believe, 2,200 murders. What Cuban is saying is that TODAY Newark's murder rate is about 40% HIGHER than NYC at its worst. And for those that remember, let's recall some of the phrases used during this time. NYC was considered a city with no future; a failed city and the percepton of chaos was everywhere.

[karimah]

Ok so math was not one of my best subjects and yes I'm still confused. (Just keeping it real)


Cuban be quiet.


Thanks Miss Tam Tam, Pro and 5:o :o

[karimah]

The next question is how many of us are going to write a letter to the governor ?


5, Pro, Miss Tam Tam, Rob, Te, Case, Wifey ,Doofus-

What is our next move, what are you suggesting that we do now ???????????

[Thewifeofapopo]

Is that where all the smoke is coming from? Use the cash register.



You're a fool! lmao!

[LastCubanStanding]

What is our next move, what are you suggesting that we do now ???????????


Buy you a calculator.

[karimah]

Buy you a calculator.


Cuban I did have a calculator, sorry but i just dont get it, I can admit my weakest and must work on it. But you have a long way to go regarding your weakness. Your strengths im guessing is baby making :eek:

[LastCubanStanding]

Cuban I did have a calculator, sorry but i just dont get it, I can admit my weakest and must work on it. But you have a long way to go regarding your weakness. Your strengths im guessing is baby making :eek:


Learn to take a joke sweetie.

[karimah]

Learn to take a joke sweetie.


Same goes for you sweetie :cool:

[CaseClosed]

I AM AWARE THAT ONLY THE GOVERNOR CAN DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, HOWEVER, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO PUT THE FIRE UNDER HIS BUTT!! DO YOU NEED THE CITIZENS TO ASSIST??? IF SO, PLEASE LET US KNOW!!


CAN YOU HAVE THE NPD ENFORCE THE CURFEW LAWS AS WELL AS THE BAR/CLUB CLOSING LAWS?? CAN YOU IMPLEMENT A LAW TO HAVE EVERYONE OFF THE STREETS BEFORE MIDNIGHT, AT LEAST UNTIL WE SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT.


good post.

Where will the manpower come from to enforce a curfew law?


NYD isn't enforcing the illegal drug selling laws, at least not on my block.

[Make Newark Clean]

Declaring a state of emergency, I fear, would do more harm than good for Newark and its desire to resurrect itself. The city in effect would be marking itself down like an irregular garment at Forman Mills. Unfortunately, Newark is violent, but so is every hood in America. Yes, the city can better manage its resources to tackle the issue--and that takes more than five months to bear fruit--but the answer to inner-city hopelessness and its concentrations of gun-toting gangbangers is not Newark specific. The Bloods didn't start in Newark. The Crips didn't start in Newark.

I wonder how portions of Newark actually measure up head to head if compared to neighborhoods in New York other than the city at large. For example, Newark represents closer to what the East New York section of Brooklyn would be if it seceded from the rest of New York City rather than comparing it to New York itself.

It would be fairer to compare it to someplace like St Louis (still significantly larger areawise) or some other mid-size city. Newark is the second smallest largest city in the country (Jersey City is first). It's a real representation of how NJ disdains and segregates away from its smallish urban centers, leaving them to twist in the wind and under a false impression that these collections of economically disused neighborhoods are capable of being viable on their own without financial circulation from the standalone suburbs--which owe their existence to the nation's third-oldest city. Their ties are so easily severed or dismissed because of an artificial boundary line of tony and forgotten, in-crowd and out-crowd, black and white, wealth and class.

Some of Newark's nearby neighbors literally have had no murders in years or, when they do, it is seldom. If Montclair, Glen Ridge and West Orange were incorporated areas of the City of Newark, the city's overall RATE of crime would be much lower, but the areas that currently encompass the city would not be any more safe. Considering all of the complexities in this issue, it's almost as if Newark is much safer than one expects. Not to minimize the issue, but it is at least "only" 22 on Morgan Quitno's survey of most-dangerous cities. There are 21 cities in worse situations. Some of those towns probably have a lot more going for them than Newark ever got in NJ. They are at least a lot larger, many of them being major anchors of metro areas.

Something needs to be done. I understand that we must be careful to see people for the living loved ones that they are and not lose them to "statistical overanalysis" (which I think got misinterpreted in another thread), but, in order to tailor a proper approach to a problem, it is best to know what the problem is. Questions like where does Newark place in relation to other American cities is important. Questions like where does Newark place relative to ITSELF year to year are germane. Questions about tactics employed to reduce the level of violence is important. Metrics are needed to measure overall success. This is how we get to stop the sourge of violence intelligently once and for all. And this scourge is eminently fixable.

It won't happen from my-guns-are-bigger-than-your-guns States of Emergency types of declaration. Turning Newark into an occupied camp with non-police trained Iraq hardened National Guardsman (isn't that what you get when call for a State of Emergency?) or anything like it may actually make matters worse, cementing an us v them that will even begin to affect those of us who want the violence to abate as we take note of any and all errors in crime fighting. Paper proclamations will bandaid the issue at best... and merely displaces it until victory is declared. Then it starts all over again.

[LastCubanStanding]

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I wonder how portions of Newark actually measure up head to head if compared to neighborhoods in New York other than the city at large. For example, Newark represents closer to what the East New York section of Brooklyn would be if it seceded from the rest of New York City rather than comparing it to New York itself.



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NYPD's 75th Precinct, which serves East New York, had 31 murders in 2005.

[Make Newark Clean]

NYPD's 75th Precinct, which serves East New York, had 31 murders in 2005.
Thanks.

I didn't research it, but the point still stands.

[LastCubanStanding]

Thanks.

I didn't research it, but the point still stands.


Not really. Given the population of East New York is about 171,000, the crime rate in Newark is double that of East New York.

Newark = 0.39 murders/1,000 residents (2006 to date)

East NY = 0.18 murders/1,000 residents (2005)

[John360]

Uh, no. Oh, forget it.

Gotta give you credit for tryin' cube! ;)

[Make Newark Clean]

Not really. Given the population of East New York is about 171,000, the crime rate in Newark is double that of East New York.

Newark = 0.39 murders/1,000 residents (2006 to date)

East NY = 0.18 murders/1,000 residents (2005)

I picked East New York out of thin air. I'm sure I could find something comparable.

So, REALLY, the point remains.

I never stated Newark's murder rate was not ridiculously high or out of proportion to most areas.

What is NY's overall murder rate? Is East New York's higher? Busy day, otherwise I'd find the answers to these myself.

[JoefromPGH]

There are no easy answers. I agree that it would be best to do as much as possible WITHOUT declaring a state of emergency. But the fact is, unless things do get better, I can almost predict that vigilantism will emerge. What could be worse than that....just imagine a street committee of say 10 men having an all-out gun fight with the Crips? NO ONE WOULD WIN. It would only make matters even worse.

There are lotsa social issues causing the crisis but its necessary to bandaid the crisis NOW and address the social issues in tandem. Drug users should be forced to therapy (and I don't give a crap how much it costs...the war on drugs should be dealth with by attacking the users...and I don't mean by institutionalizing them....you wouldn't put a cancer victim in jail, would you?)
As to the gangs, THEY are the ones that should be jailed and those without blood on their hands should be offered second chances.

Getting the drug users and the gangs off the streets is the bandaid. The harder part is dealing with the social issues. Unfortunetely, everything has a price...but the crisis in urban America demands fixin. It is the number one priority facing this nation today. The culture of poverty must be addressed and REVERSED. If it means higher taxes, than so be it!

[Thewifeofapopo]

There are no easy answers. I agree that it would be best to do as much as possible WITHOUT declaring a state of emergency. But the fact is, unless things do get better, I can almost predict that vigilantism will emerge. What could be worse than that....just imagine a street committee of say 10 men having an all-out gun fight with the Crips? NO ONE WOULD WIN. It would only make matters even worse.

There are lotsa social issues causing the crisis but its necessary to bandaid the crisis NOW and address the social issues in tandem. Drug users should be forced to therapy (and I don't give a crap how much it costs...the war on drugs should be dealth with by attacking the users...and I don't mean by institutionalizing them....you wouldn't put a cancer victim in jail, would you?)
As to the gangs, THEY are the ones that should be jailed and those without blood on their hands should be offered second chances.

Getting the drug users and the gangs off the streets is the bandaid. The harder part is dealing with the social issues. Unfortunetely, everything has a price...but the crisis in urban America demands fixin. It is the number one priority facing this nation today. The culture of poverty must be addressed and REVERSED. If it means higher taxes, than so be it!



GUYS,

WHEN I MADE THE THREAD, I WASN'T REFERENCING REMAKING THE WILD WILD WEST!:( I WAS LEANING MORE TOWARDS.......IMPLEMENTING A CURFEW LAW FOR EVERYONE.....ACCEPT OF COURSE THE POPO!


HAVING EVERYONE OFF THE STREET BY MIDNIGHT IS NOT ASKING FOR MUCH. BARS/CLUBS SHOULD CLOSE AT MIDNIGHT, THAT MEANS SHUT IT DOWN AT 11:30 TOPS! AT LEAST UNTIL WE SEE SOME IMPOVEMENTS.
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[CaseClosed]

There are no easy answers. I agree that it would be best to do as much as possible WITHOUT declaring a state of emergency. But the fact is, unless things do get better, I can almost predict that vigilantism will emerge. What could be worse than that....just imagine a street committee of say 10 men having an all-out gun fight with the Crips? NO ONE WOULD WIN. It would only make matters even worse.

There are lotsa social issues causing the crisis but its necessary to bandaid the crisis NOW and address the social issues in tandem. Drug users should be forced to therapy (and I don't give a crap how much it costs...the war on drugs should be dealth with by attacking the users...and I don't mean by institutionalizing them....you wouldn't put a cancer victim in jail, would you?)
As to the gangs, THEY are the ones that should be jailed and those without blood on their hands should be offered second chances.

Getting the drug users and the gangs off the streets is the bandaid. The harder part is dealing with the social issues. Unfortunetely, everything has a price...but the crisis in urban America demands fixin. It is the number one priority facing this nation today. The culture of poverty must be addressed and REVERSED. If it means higher taxes, than so be it!


the concern I have is what will the users(the users not willing to go to detox) do when supply is low and the price of illegal drugs is high and they can't afford their high?:eek:

[karimah]

Case,

Then be ready to get your heads bashed out, it's not going to make the drug users get a job to support their habit that's for sure, and who do you think will go against the bloods or crips, that's the police, dea, sheriff and state police job, where basically in the same boat as them some jobless, homeless, hopeless and feed up.

I dont want anybody telling me to be in the house at 10 pm especially since im a grown adult, this should apply to only the teens and folks on parole or prohabition for a specific crime.

[Thewifeofapopo]

Case,

Then be ready to get your heads bashed out, it's not going to make the drug users get a job to support their habit that's for sure, and who do you think will go against the bloods or crips, that's the police, dea, sheriff and state police job, where basically in the same boat as them some jobless, homeless, hopeless and feed up.

I dont want anybody telling me to be in the house at 10 pm especially since im a grown adult, this should apply to only the teens and folks on parole or prohabition for a specific crime.


also "be ready to get your head bashed out"! I think the Mayor should have all Club/Bars closed by 12 and liquor stores closed by 10! Yes, you are a grown adult and so am I, but given the hour crime takes place, this would definitely save a life, if everyone is off the street!!

[karimah]

I'm very street smart, so It would take a bad day for me to get my head busted, im very mindful of the streets and i know what to look out for, believe me i know that nothing goods comes out of hanging out late so you have to be ready for whatever, on the other hand Case mention what to expect when these folks who are on drugs dont have enough money to afford them(that's when get ready to get your head bashed out comes to play)

Trust me my dear I have something waiting for anybody who steps up to me late night and it wont be a Wendy's burger, that's for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LastCubanStanding]

also "be ready to get your head bashed out"! I think the Mayor should have all Club/Bars closed by 12 and liquor stores closed by 10! Yes, you are a grown adult and so am I, but given the hour crime takes place, this would definitely save a life, if everyone is off the street!!

I understand where you are coming from, but I think that infringing on the personal freedoms of the law-abiding citizens of the City by enforcing a curfew on adults and legal businesses is tantamount to giving up. There exists a state of law-lessness in the City that needs to be addressed immediately. I think the Mayor has begun to address these issues, but much more needs to be done, and will require help outside the City. Start locking up the bad guys that are forcing the citizens to be prisoners in their own homes.

[Thewifeofapopo]

I understand where you are coming from, but I think that infringing on the personal freedoms of the law-abiding citizens of the City by enforcing a curfew on adults and legal businesses is tantamount to giving up. There exists a state of law-lessness in the City that needs to be addressed immediately. I think the Mayor has begun to address these issues, but much more needs to be done, and will require help outside the City. Start locking up the bad guys that are forcing the citizens to be prisoners in their own homes.



Cuban, this STATEMENT from you issssssss........PRICELESS:D

[LastCubanStanding]

Cuban, this STATEMENT from you issssssss........PRICELESS:D


Why? Don't forget I lived in the City for my life, during the crisis years in the 70's and 80's when all the cops were laid off and there was only 1 or 2 cars covering the entire North Ward, if we were lucky. Everyone thinks their cross is the heaviest, huh?

[Thewifeofapopo]

Why? Don't forget I lived in the City for my life, during the crisis years in the 70's and 80's when all the cops were laid off and there was only 1 or 2 cars covering the entire North Ward, if we were lucky. Everyone thinks their cross is the heaviest, huh?


MY POINT WAS THAT YOU USUALLY ARGUE WITH ME.....THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN NEWARKSPEAKS HISTORY THAT YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME!:p



PS....I DIDN'T NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR LIFE! :rolleyes:

[LastCubanStanding]

MY POINT WAS THAT YOU USUALLY ARGUE WITH ME.....THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN NEWARKSPEAKS HISTORY THAT YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME!:p



PS....I DIDN'T NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR LIFE! :rolleyes:


But I am not agreeing with you.

[Thewifeofapopo]

But I am not agreeing with you.




YAWN!!!!! OK....

[Make Newark Clean]

BARS/CLUBS SHOULD CLOSE AT MIDNIGHT, THAT MEANS SHUT IT DOWN AT 11:30 TOPS!

This would make Newark worse. The answer is strict zoning and law enforcement. Closing clubs early could sound the death knell for Newark among today's young professionals and college students many who may wish to unwind in a bar or nightspot past 11.30p. Heck, some folks don't head out until that time.

One of the current strategies for revitalizing cities is to attract a young, hip crowd to cool cities (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1008/p11s02-lihc.html). Overall, they provide income for the local economy while using the least amount of municipal services.

[LastCubanStanding]

This would make Newark worse. The answer is strict zoning and law enforcement. Closing clubs early could sound the death knell for Newark among today's young professionals and college students many who may wish to unwind in a bar or nightspot past 11.30p. Heck, some folks don't head out until that time.

One of the current strategies for revitalizing cities is to attract a young, hip crowd to cool cities (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1008/p11s02-lihc.html). Overall, they provide income for the local economy while using the least amount of municipal services.

Exactly!

[Thewifeofapopo]

This would make Newark worse. The answer is strict zoning and law enforcement. Closing clubs early could sound the death knell for Newark among today's young professionals and college students many who may wish to unwind in a bar or nightspot past 11.30p. Heck, some folks don't head out until that time.

One of the current strategies for revitalizing cities is to attract a young, hip crowd to cool cities (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1008/p11s02-lihc.html). Overall, they provide income for the local economy while using the least amount of municipal services.




IT'S ALREADY A "DEATH KNELL" FOR NEWARK!:(


DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT NEWARK WOULD BE WORSE OFF IF WE CLOSED THE BARS AND CLUBS EARLY?

[Doofus1]

I do think it would be worse off. I spend money--probably too much--at bars in Newark. My old company would routinely drop $400 or $500 on a bar and food tab after a softball game at Branch Brook. But because there wasn't a decent place for a large group to go in Newark that could accomodate us, we ended up in Bloomfield and Nutley. Think of a half dozen to a dozen firms doing the same thing every night, all summer long. That's a lot of money that could be in a Newarker's pocket or in tips to some Newark residents working in places like that.

[Thewifeofapopo]

I do think it would be worse off. I spend money--probably too much--at bars in Newark. My old company would routinely drop $400 or $500 on a bar and food tab after a softball game at Branch Brook. But because there wasn't a decent place for a large group to go in Newark that could accomodate us, we ended up in Bloomfield and Nutley. Think of a half dozen to a dozen firms doing the same thing every night, all summer long. That's a lot of money that could be in a Newarker's pocket or in tips to some Newark residents working in places like that.




We're talking about solutions to STOP MURDERS! WHO GIVES A HOOT ABOUT WHERE YOUR SOFTBALL TEAM DRINKS WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE BEING GUNNED DOWN EVERYDAY!


BTW- IF YOU'RE SPENDING THAT MUCH ON FOOD AND DRINKS, WHY NOT HOST A PARTY AT YOUR HOUSE!


IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY, IT'S ABOUT SAVING LIVES!




KARIMAH, THIS IS WHY I SHOUT!!!

[Doofus1]

It's also about quality of life. We could save lives if everyone was forced to be off the street a 5 p.m. and armored personnel carriers roamed the streets.

[Thewifeofapopo]

It's also about quality of life. We could save lives if everyone was forced to be off the street a 5 p.m. and armored personnel carriers roamed the streets.


NOW YOU'RE EXAGGERATING! APPARENTLY YOU DON'T LIVE IN NEWARK!!:(

[Make Newark Clean]

IT'S ALREADY A "DEATH KNELL" FOR NEWARK!:(


DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT NEWARK WOULD BE WORSE OFF IF WE CLOSED THE BARS AND CLUBS EARLY?



What makes you think closing bars and clubs earlier would make the city safer?

The arena is coming. Part of the return on this municipal investment is to create in Newark again a vibrant nightlife. Closing up the town too early will not maximize the arena as an asset.

Back in the 1940s and 1950s (so I read), Newark had a lot more nightlife than it does now. Was crime as high then? No. Therefore, although alcohol can fuel many things, most clubs operate, even in Newark today, without murders taking place. Furthermore, New York's clubs are opened and serving alcohol to 4am. Montclair attracts patrons from all around the area to its city center. It just had its first murder in three years.

We don't want to do more harm than good to Newark. Schemes like calling in National Guard or closing bars at 11.30p are not good for this city in the long run. Yes, there's somewhat of a tradeoff, just as if we banned driving, there'd be no automobile accidents. However, Newark is a city and, if does not provide city amenities, then what will it have to offer? There's a reason the PATH runs 24 hours.

[Thewifeofapopo]

What makes you think closing bars and clubs earlier would make the city safer?

The arena is coming. Part of the return on this municipal investment is to create in Newark again a vibrant nightlife. Closing up the town too early will not maximize the arena as an asset.

Back in the 1940s and 1950s (so I read), Newark had a lot more nightlife than it does now. Was crime as high then? No. Therefore, although alcohol can fuel many things, most clubs operate, even in Newark today, without murders taking place. Furthermore, New York's clubs are opened and serving alcohol to 4am. Montclair attracts patrons from all around the area to its city center. It just had its first murder in three years.

We don't want to do more harm than good to Newark. Schemes like calling in National Guard or closing bars at 11.30p are not good for this city in the long run. Yes, there's somewhat of a tradeoff, just as if we banned driving, there'd be no automobile accidents. However, Newark is a city and, if does not provide city amenities, then what will it have to offer? There's a reason the PATH runs 24 hours.



Who's going to come to Newark? Most Newarker's our packing up leaving! Yes, those are great investments, but the reputation that Newark has and the reality is dim for investments right now! Until we can get a handle on crime i THINK WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON SOLUTIONS RATHER THAN PROFITS!! THE NEIGHBORING CITY....MONTCLAIR DOES NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES REGARDING CRIME.....NO COMPARISON!


Again, you people are looking at investments/PROFITS, rather than saving lives!

[CaptainJim59]

there will be no bars closing early and states of emergency being introduced.

The solution lies more in rehabilitation, ENFORCED parole and probation monitoring, higher bails or bail denials to repeat violent offenders (look into how many shooters are out waiting to be tried for a previous agg. assault offense, it is incredible) and longerrrrrr sentences for violent offenders. It grates on me to see people doing time for shootings and getting out in 2/3 years, when an agg. assault with a weapon is nothing less than an attempt murder.

[JoefromPGH]

there will be no bars closing early and states of emergency being introduced.

The solution lies more in rehabilitation, ENFORCED parole and probation monitoring, higher bails or bail denials to repeat violent offenders (look into how many shooters are out waiting to be tried for a previous agg. assault offense, it is incredible) and longerrrrrr sentences for violent offenders. It grates on me to see people doing time for shootings and getting out in 2/3 years, when an agg. assault with a weapon is nothing less than an attempt murder.

Agree!

There was a thread recently in here where a man charged with murder was out on $100,000 bail. If you are suspected of murder and the evidence is strong there should not be any bail. While the purpose of bail is to ensure to the degree possible that a defendant will appear for ongoing adjudication, denying bail in violent cases is necessary to ensure that there is no, or at least less, possibility of another violent crime being commited or where the defendant may do harm to himself, to ensure that the defendant doesn't commit suicide.

If Essex County judges are freeing suspected murderers on $100,000 (and I don't know if that was straight bail) then the judges ain't doin their job. In this case, the freed murderer went out and murdered again...classic.:(

[Thewifeofapopo]

there will be no bars closing early and states of emergency being introduced.

The solution lies more in rehabilitation, ENFORCED parole and probation monitoring, higher bails or bail denials to repeat violent offenders (look into how many shooters are out waiting to be tried for a previous agg. assault offense, it is incredible) and longerrrrrr sentences for violent offenders. It grates on me to see people doing time for shootings and getting out in 2/3 years, when an agg. assault with a weapon is nothing less than an attempt murder.



SO, IN THE MEANTIME WHAT DO WE DO???

[Thewifeofapopo]

I guess the City is waiting for the gang bangers to hold the residents hostage before they declare an emergency. Oh, I forgot we're already in bondage!:mad: :(



Mayor Booker and Mccarthy,


When are we going to see some REAL results, what does it have to take for you to get assistance from other agencies? You seem to have great initiatives, but can you tell us when you plan to put them to use!:mad:

[CaptainJim59]

I AM AWARE THAT ONLY THE GOVERNOR CAN DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, HOWEVER, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO PUT THE FIRE UNDER HIS BUTT!! DO YOU NEED THE CITIZENS TO ASSIST??? IF SO, PLEASE LET US KNOW!!


CAN YOU HAVE THE NPD ENFORCE THE CURFEW LAWS AS WELL AS THE BAR/CLUB CLOSING LAWS?? CAN YOU IMPLEMENT A LAW TO HAVE EVERYONE OFF THE STREETS BEFORE MIDNIGHT, AT LEAST UNTIL WE SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT.


Maybe because this is nothing unusual in Newark!!

[Thewifeofapopo]

Maybe because this is nothing unusual in Newark!!



JIM CROW


ARE YOU OK? :D

[LastCubanStanding]

I guess the City is waiting for the gang bangers to hold the residents hostage before they declare an emergency. Oh, I forgot we're already in bondage!:mad: :(



Mayor Booker and Mccarthy,


When are we going to see some REAL results, what does it have to take for you to get assistance from other agencies? You seem to have great initiatives, but can you tell us when you plan to put them to use!:mad:

I hear you Wife. The problems the minute Booker declares an "emergency" (what ever that entails), the Ras' and the JibberJabbers of the world will complain of the "police state." They already have. There are those among us who do not want the crime situation improved....They profit from the status quo.

[chad1]

Are you kidding? I guess you might propose that we all walk around with Full Body Proof Armour from 9-5 also right?

[Thewifeofapopo]

Are you kidding? I guess you might propose that we all walk around with Full Body Proof Armour from 9-5 also right?


Are you a cop, if so do your darn job!!!!

[chad1]

Originally Posted by Doofus1
It's also about quality of life. We could save lives if everyone was forced to be off the street a 5 p.m. and armored personnel carriers roamed the streets.



Wife are you crazy?

I was referring to Doofus's post.

What sense does that make was my point?

[Thewifeofapopo]

Originally Posted by Doofus1
It's also about quality of life. We could save lives if everyone was forced to be off the street a 5 p.m. and armored personnel carriers roamed the streets.



Wife are you crazy?

I was referring to Doofus's post.

What sense does that make was my point?



Crazy.....just a little...:)


I apologize! humbly. That was my Dana Rone.....psychotic episode coming out for a minute.:eek:



Sorry Dana, no disrespect.:)