2 People Shot

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one dead in Newark.

[Make Newark Clean]

At this rate we're on track for at least 150 deaths this year in Newark. Sad.

Police: Newark Shooting Leaves One Dead, One Critical (http://www.wnbc.com/news/10836022/detail.html)


One man was killed and a second victim was taken to a hospital in critical condition on Wednesday after a double shooting in Newark, police said.

The shooters fled the scene at 75 Shaw Avenue in a white vehicle at around 3 p.m., police said. Investigators said they were still working to establish a motive.

Authorities urge anyone with information to call the Newark Homicide Squad at 973-733-5400 or the Essex County Prosecutor's Office at 973-621-4700 or 888-NPD-PUSH.

[Miss Tam-Tam]

I have a sister who used to live on Shaw Avenue. It's in the Weequahic Section; it's one of those streets that was sawed in half by Route 78.

[Make Newark Clean]

I have a sister who used to live on Shaw Avenue. It's in the Weequahic Section; it's one of those streets that was sawed in half by Route 78.

Channel 4 said "10"... that's what I'm basing my 150 figure on. I think that makes it more like 120. :-(

[counterattack]

At this rate we're on track for at least 150 deaths this year in Newark. Sad.

Police: Newark Shooting Leaves One Dead, One Critical (http://www.wnbc.com/news/10836022/detail.html)


One man was killed and a second victim was taken to a hospital in critical condition on Wednesday after a double shooting in Newark, police said.

The shooters fled the scene at 75 Shaw Avenue in a white vehicle at around 3 p.m., police said. Investigators said they were still working to establish a motive.

Authorities urge anyone with information to call the Newark Homicide Squad at 973-733-5400 or the Essex County Prosecutor's Office at 973-621-4700 or 888-NPD-PUSH.



I guess rounding up the traffic court jumpers did not work....time for this administration and all the nay sayers on this forum to understand that crime in Newark is the result of a need not a want. Until we replace that need with something more life sustaining......crime will continue.

If you don't understand what I am saying you don't need to know.

[LastCubanStanding]

I guess rounding up the traffic court jumpers did not work....time for this administration and all the nay sayers on this forum to understand that crime in Newark is the result of a need not a want. Until we replace that need with something more life sustaining......crime will continue.

If you don't understand what I am saying you don't need to know.


You really don't know what you are talking about on several levels today, huh?

Why do I think that every time bad news is posted you have a huge grin on your face?

[counterattack]

You really don't know what you are talking about on several levels today, huh?

Why do I think that every time bad news is posted you have a huge grin on your face?


You would think that.

[LastCubanStanding]

You would think that.


Well, your posts seem to portray someone who relishes in seeing the current administration look bad.

Why don't you ever post any positive news? Hmmmmmm.....

[counterattack]

Well, your posts seem to portray someone who relishes in seeing the current administration look bad.

Why don't you ever post any positive news? Hmmmmmm.....



Positive news hmmmmmmmm.....That sounds familiar I remember when the Council voted to fund positive news you criticized the move.

[LastCubanStanding]

Positive news hmmmmmmmm.....That sounds familiar I remember when the Council voted to fund positive news you criticized the move.


Nice twist of my words but you know what I'm talking about.

[concerned]

When will we relize as a race the problems that plaque our communties.We must understand the paths that individuals/youths are taking?There is no love,respect or regard for one another.Think about it for once do we really care for one another period. Whether they are a thug, gang banger or simply just someone trying to make it in life do we really care for each other because if we did divorce,child abuse,rape and spousal abuse wouldnt be so high.What about the seven deadly sins lust,envy,jealousy,hatred,greed and or etc. This is what plagues us and until there's a solution for these problems all we will continue to say is why?:eek:

[CaseClosed]

you haven't been reading my thread on Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. If you had read it, you'd know why. :(

[violet87]

originally posted by case
you haven't been reading my thread on Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. If you had read it, you'd know why:( .

I haven't read all of your posts but from the ones i've skimmed...your pt. of view does not present a balanced answer. Race will always play a part in the problems we as minorities face but race is not the only factor as to why we have the issues Concerned brings up

[CaseClosed]

I haven't read all of your posts but from the ones i've skimmed...your pt. of view does not present a balanced answer. Race will always play a part in the problems we as minorities face but race is not the only factor as to why we have the issues Concerned brings up

Did I say race was the only factor? Skimming is not thoroughly reading and gaining an understanding and comprehension of the content.

[violet87]

originally posted by case
Did I say race was the only factor? Skimming is not thoroughly reading and gaining an understanding and comprehension of the content.

please...the title of your thread leads one to believe that it's going to be about race.

secondly...a lot of your posts are talking about the psychological effects that minorities still experience as a result of slavery (the slave mentality, pyschological abuse, low self esteem etc etc)
slavery is the result of what? RACISM...therefore the root of your articles are referring to the pain, setbacks, abuse, and so on that minorities continue to inhibit due to race (racism or whateva)

Race basically is the root of your argument whether you realized what you posted or not and it stems off into the issues that are the result of Post slave syndrome(the title of your thread).

[CaseClosed]

please...the title of your thread leads one to believe that it's going to be about race.

secondly...a lot of your posts are talking about the psychological effects that minorities still experience as a result of slavery (the slave mentality, pyschological abuse, low self esteem etc etc)
slavery is the result of what? RACISM...therefore the root of your articles are referring to the pain, setbacks, abuse, and so on that minorities continue to inhibit due to race (racism or whateva)

Race basically is the root of your argument whether you realized what you posted or not and it stems off into the issues that are the result of Post slave syndrome(the title of your thread).

and your point is what?

What, in your opinion are the reasons why the black community is in shambles? Are most black people employed? Do they have healthcare? Are their communities crime infested? What is the reason crime is infested in the African American community? Why don't black people love each other? Why is there self hatred within the black communiy? Why are drugs and weapons saturated in the black community and not other communities? Why are schools sub standared in the black community? Why is hiv highest in the black community? Why are prisons filled with mostly black people? Do you believe black people commit more crimes than others?

Why did the KKK target black people? Why were entire towns wiped out in the black community? Why were black people Hung?

[violet87]

let me break it down for you since you weren’t paying attention.
The pt. is not what I think are the reasons for the problems of minorities especially blacks but the pt. is you claimed or asked me “did I say that race was the only factor?” …I responded to show you how whether you realized it or not, your posts all deal with race as the root problem for post slave syndrome…Now after accusing or asking me “did I say that race was the only factor?” you like a genius responds with what?….RACE! Go figure!
You proceed to ask me (or imply) how else can I explain the state of black communities being in shambles, unemployed and so on for reasons other than dare I say…RACE!

originally posted by case
What, in your opinion are the reasons why the black community is in shambles? Are most black people employed? Do they have healthcare? Are their communities crime infested? What is the reason crime is infested in the African American community? Why don't black people love each other? Why is there self hatred within the black communiy? Why are drugs and weapons saturated in the black community and not other communities? Why are schools sub standared in the black community? Why is hiv highest in the black community? Why are prisons filled with mostly black people? Do you believe black people commit more crimes than others?
Why did the KKK target black people? Why were entire towns wiped out in the black community? Why were black people Hung?/QUOTE]

Once again you continue to go back to race. While you were so caught up in writing this you failed to realize that I wrote earlier that race will ALWAYS play a factor but it is not the sole factor (as a lot of the articles you post allude to). Which is how we got into this discussion in the first place. The pt. is since you were so adamant about telling me I should research the thread and then implied that you don’t believe race is the only factor (“did I say race was the only factor?”)

[QUOTE]originally posted by case
Did I say race was the only factor? Skimming is not thoroughly reading and gaining an understanding and comprehension of the content.

…I don’t know what you believe since you wrote it as a question but never answered it. However your responses seem to tell me that you do believe race is the sole factor; if you believed otherwise you failed to give other reasons. AGAIN, I do believe that race plays a role for the down trodden state of minorities…but racism is not the only factor.
While we can blame racism we must partially blame ourselves b/c we don’t have to be psychologically bound to the shackles of racism. Ya boi Malcolm (whom u love to reference ) is an example. Even though we live in a racist society…how many white ppl do you see living in Nwk? Not many. Are the white ppl stopping us from reading or going to school? NO! Are the white ppl shooting blacks? Not in Nwk!

Now Case you may claim that black on black killings are the result of ppl suffering from post slave syndrome.
I have no comments on that but I will ask, when are we going to take responsibility for the way we treat each other? Self hatred and lack of respect is home grown…some ppl act like that due to the lack of love in the home and sense of community.

I don’t blame racism for the some of the unconcerned, uncaring teachers that school administrations hire in our school systems but I may blame racism as a cause for the lack of resources, funding and crappy facilities that STILL exist in black communities. Now let’s look at 2007. Even if we blame racism for the existence of crappy school systems…where is the eagerness to learn? We have a 40%-50% high school dropout rate. I spoke to some of these kids who dropped out …they claim they don‘t care. Why? B/c no one else does. Is this a result of racism? Or a lack of encouragement, love and communication on the parent(s)/guardian(s)/ caretaker(s) part? We may live in a racist society but we can fight its poison. We are all effected by racism but it is up to us how we respond, fight or stand up to it. We can blame racism all day or we can work against the system. I think it's great that we can pin point what the problems are and we should continue to but what are we doing about them.

For the record…you asked what else do I think is the reasons for the condition of blacks other than race. I’ll give you two of my other reasons… 1)class 2) spiritual
If ppl disagree, I don’t care.
Anyway Case I never disagreed with the idea that race plays a major role in society after all racism has been institutionalized. The United States is basically a social construction that was built off of race

[CaseClosed]

let me break it down for you since you weren’t paying attention.
The pt. is not what I think are the reasons for the problems of minorities especially blacks but the pt. is you claimed or asked me “did I say that race was the only factor?” …I responded to show you how whether you realized it or not, your posts all deal with race as the root problem for post slave syndrome…Now after accusing or asking me “did I say that race was the only factor?” you like a genius responds with what?….RACE! Go figure!
You proceed to ask me (or imply) how else can I explain the state of black communities being in shambles, unemployed and so on for reasons other than dare I say…RACE!

[QUOTE]originally posted by case
What, in your opinion are the reasons why the black community is in shambles? Are most black people employed? Do they have healthcare? Are their communities crime infested? What is the reason crime is infested in the African American community? Why don't black people love each other? Why is there self hatred within the black communiy? Why are drugs and weapons saturated in the black community and not other communities? Why are schools sub standared in the black community? Why is hiv highest in the black community? Why are prisons filled with mostly black people? Do you believe black people commit more crimes than others?
Why did the KKK target black people? Why were entire towns wiped out in the black community? Why were black people Hung?/QUOTE]

Once again you continue to go back to race. While you were so caught up in writing this you failed to realize that I wrote earlier that race will ALWAYS play a factor but it is not the sole factor (as a lot of the articles you post allude to). Which is how we got into this discussion in the first place. The pt. is since you were so adamant about telling me I should research the thread and then implied that you don’t believe race is the only factor (“did I say race was the only factor?”)



…I don’t know what you believe since you wrote it as a question but never answered it. However your responses seem to tell me that you do believe race is the sole factor; if you believed otherwise you failed to give other reasons. AGAIN, I do believe that race plays a role for the down trodden state of minorities…but racism is not the only factor.
While we can blame racism we must partially blame ourselves b/c we don’t have to be psychologically bound to the shackles of racism. Ya boi Malcolm (whom u love to reference ) is an example. Even though we live in a racist society…how many white ppl do you see living in Nwk? Not many. Are the white ppl stopping us from reading or going to school? NO! Are the white ppl shooting blacks? Not in Nwk!

Now Case you may claim that black on black killings are the result of ppl suffering from post slave syndrome.
I have no comments on that but I will ask, when are we going to take responsibility for the way we treat each other? Self hatred and lack of respect is home grown…some ppl act like that due to the lack of love in the home and sense of community.

I don’t blame racism for the some of the unconcerned, uncaring teachers that school administrations hire in our school systems but I may blame racism as a cause for the lack of resources, funding and crappy facilities that STILL exist in black communities. Now let’s look at 2007. Even if we blame racism for the existence of crappy school systems…where is the eagerness to learn? We have a 40%-50% high school dropout rate. I spoke to some of these kids who dropped out …they claim they don‘t care. Why? B/c no one else does. Is this a result of racism? Or a lack of encouragement, love and communication on the parent(s)/guardian(s)/ caretaker(s) part? We may live in a racist society but we can fight its poison. We are all effected by racism but it is up to us how we respond, fight or stand up to it. We can blame racism all day or we can work against the system. I think it's great that we can pin point what the problems are and we should continue to but what are we doing about them.

For the record…you asked what else do I think is the reasons for the condition of blacks other than race. I’ll give you two of my other reasons… 1)class 2) spiritual
If ppl disagree, I don’t care.
Anyway Case I never disagreed with the idea that race plays a major role in society after all racism has been institutionalized. The United States is basically a social construction that was built off of race

I pay attention on a daily basis and I don't like what I see. Your generation was given the torch to carry on and continue making progress, but you(your generation) dropped it. I hope I'm around when your generation decide to pick it up again.

[karimah]

Case,


What generation are you referring to and what did they drop, sorry i just needed to ask. Do you know Violets age ?

[CaseClosed]

Case,


What generation are you referring to and what did they drop, sorry i just needed to ask. Do you know Violets age ?

Violet said previously she is a college student. She also said I was her elder, so from that Im assuming she's in her early 20's and was born in the 1990's when negative rap music began influencing the black community.

Notice I didn't say Violet. I said her generation. Violet is in college and she's on the right path. I was referring to the negative rappers, drug dealers. gangbangers and the likes who helped destroy the black community.

Good Morning Newark Speaks & Guests

[karimah]

Thanks Case,

Hey that's something to think about. Now that you said that, you made a good point, back in my day and I'm a 70's baby, we had good shows to watch. Good Times, Give me a break, Different Strokes, Facts of life, mickey mouse club, zoom zoom, electric company, after school specials. We had a variety of shows that made us run home everyday. Now kids are watching shows that teach violence and video games that prep one to not fear killing.

Our video games included atari and the corner store arcade games, pacman, ms pacman, space invaders, donk king kong.

Our cartoons consisted of Archie and friends, lil rascals(live) the old woody woodpecker, catch that pigeon(what is the name of that cartoon) magilla gorilla, tom and jerry. Wow we had some good shows.

Well Case, what would you suggest that her generation do, should they boycott some of these shows, should they write congress regarding music that is displayed on the radio, should they write congress about the violence of video games. What are some of the suggestions that the younger generations can learn from. Case you just cant say it's their fault (sort to speak) without giving some suggestions, remember this each one teach one :o

[karimah]

2 shot, one fatally, at corner in Newark
A man was killed and a woman was injured yesterday in a shooting on an isolated Newark street corner near Route 78, police said.

The dead man was identified as Oliver Ballentine, 23, of Montville, Detective Todd McClendon said. The injured woman was identified as Stephanie Shroeder, 21, of Mendham, the detective added.

The victims were found by police in a Jeep Grand Cherokee parked near Shaw Avenue and Leslie Street just after 3 p.m. The man was dead behind the wheel, and the injured woman was in the front passenger seat, Police Director Garry McCarthy said.

The woman was in critical condition early last night at University Hospital in Newark.

Her family later asked that no additional or updated information on her injuries or condition be released, said Rogers Ramsey, a hospital spokesman.

For hours after the shooting, investigators scoured the Jeep and surrounding area for evidence. There were at least two bullet holes in the car’s windshield. Investigators have not identified a suspect or a motive for the shooting.

“This is an area known to be frequented by people from out of town to purchase drugs,” McCarthy said, noting the South Ward neighborhood’s easy access to Route 78.

McCarthy has said that the “vast majority” of gun violence in Newark is related to the drug trade.

Lupe Todd, a spokeswoman for Mayor Cory Booker, said he was in Washington, D.C., Tuesday attending a summit organized by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg to discuss legislation to stem the flow of illegal guns into violence-plagued cities.

About 90 percent of Newark’s homicides are committed with firearms, many of them trafficked from states with lenient gun laws, police statistics show.

Yesterday’s homicide is the city’s 10th this year. That’s the same number Newark had last year at this time, Todd said. She added shootings are down by about a third compared with last year.

Anyone with information about the shootings is urged to call the Newark Police Department’s homicide squad at (973) 733-5400 or the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office at (973) 621-4700.

[black4rob2]

Violet said previously she is a college student. She also said I was her elder, so from that Im assuming she's in her early 20's and was born in the 1990's when negative rap music began influencing the black community.

Notice I didn't say Violet. I said her generation. Violet is in college and she's on the right path. I was referring to the negative rappers, drug dealers. gangbangers and the likes who helped destroy the black community.

Good Morning Newark Speaks & Guests
You are passionate and driven....I like that, and think those are excellant traits to have....

Respectfully, I think you need to broaden your focus a little bit. From your post and comments it seems as though you are so deep in your thoughts you miss certain things....Its all good - we all do it.....

The ills of this society and culture is far bigger than "the negative rappers, drug dealers, and gangbangers...", although they are a part of the problem...I don't consider them in the least bit the source....

We, as a people (forget about generation), have to begin pointing the finger at ourselves and claiming responsibilty for ourselves.....
Stop blaming others and do your part......

Think about it....you were claiming that Violet's generation dropped the ball....
Let me ask you....the people who were suppose to train and properly equiped this generation with the tools to carrry on the burning torch...are part of what generation?????

Respectfully
ROB

[karimah]

The funny part about this , the fact that they admit, the traffic coming from 78 and 280 is from folks comming from the suburbs to buy drugs, but why are they not guarding these highways. They rather protect them coming in but not protect us.


Newark needs more pressure on them in order for them to understand that we want our streets, community and kids safe from drugs, guns and violence

[spokenword]

Violet said previously she is a college student. She also said I was her elder, so from that Im assuming she's in her early 20's and was born in the 1990's when negative rap music began influencing the black community.

Notice I didn't say Violet. I said her generation. Violet is in college and she's on the right path. I was referring to the negative rappers, drug dealers. gangbangers and the likes who helped destroy the black community.

Good Morning Newark Speaks & Guests




Case,

I have to agree to disagree with you on some of your comments. I agree that the younger generation have infested our communities worst than it's ever been. I also agree that racism, the media, and their surroundings is a great factor in their destruction. However, I don't agree that the past generation past the torch "properly". The generations prior to this generation were running the race without the torch. The era of the 60's set the tone for drug use and it trickled down from generation to generation. As you may say that back then they had a handle on drugs and crime, but this clearly set the tone for what we see today. Some of the gangbangers learned the street life from past generations and the O'G's (Orginal Ganster). Some of these kids were born from drug addicted parents..(crack babies). Some were even born HIV positive. The past generation didn't do any justice and surely did not pave a clean path to follow.


The question is how can we change this epidemic so that it doesn't get past down the vicious cycle of destruction? We can implement programs, for parents and children to educate and empower them to do better. We must first start in the homes, kids usually look up to their parents and if mom and dad ain't living right, what do you expect? Second we need community involvement, I strongly believe in the old adage..."It takes a Village to raise a child", we must nuture the village, we must hold everyone accountable. We tend to turn our backs on negative behavior, but we need to pull these kids aside and tell them, the consequences their about to face living that type of lifestyle.


Again the past generation have failed our future generation, so collectively we must work cohesively to improve our communities.

[black4rob2]

Well Case, what would you suggest that her generation do, should they boycott some of these shows, should they write congress regarding music that is displayed on the radio, should they write congress about the violence of video games. What are some of the suggestions that the younger generations can learn from. Case you just cant say it's their fault (sort to speak) without giving some suggestions, remember this each one teach one :o
Although I don't agree with all the shows you spoke about, and the boycotting:D :D .....I agree with your idea that it is a bigger issue....

One have to think who is in control of all the programming that is aired on the television...who profits from the sales of these video games....I'm not saying I think it is the source of our violence in thics ciity and other like it, but those are valid questions we as citiznes should ask our "Representitives"......

I sitll think that it stems from the lack of involvement of a consistent parent or guardian in these home...

[JoefromPGH]

....

I sitll think that it stems from the lack of involvement of a consistent parent or guardian in these home...

While there are probably a multitude of contributing factors, I'd have to say that parenting is a primary factor. However, one must take all factors together, as each factor has a negative impact that TOGETHER intertwine to making things the way they are today. Talking about factors doesn't do a thing unless positive steps can be taken to eliminate the factors. And THAT is not going to be an easy task. I would think that as each succeeding generation gets further and further away from the so-called American dream, the negative impact to those affected becomes greater and greater. I don't think any generation can be blamed for this. But the generation that takes this monster and turns it around will be the one that will be remembered the most. Listen, as long as there is hope there can be positive change because I would think that there are more people who will do anything to get to a higher point. However, we are losing an entire generation right now and that HAS to be the focus.

To Counter....in another post you asked what questions can Rock ask the presidential candidates...well, I think we all would like to know how they view the current crisis in urban America and what do they feel they can DO to precipitate change. And any candidate that just goes on and on about law and order, while important, just doesn't get it.

BTW: I see all of these posts about "Rock." May I ask a dumb question-who is Rock?

[Make Newark Clean]

You know what the real problem with love is in the black community? It's the lack of love for those of us who don't want to be characterize with because we're embarrassed by their human frailities, lack of exposure, lack of education and lawlessness. Their (as well as perhaps our) all-around poor starting points in life leave them susceptible to a laundry list of society's maladies that we wish they would just get over without acknowledging what it really takes to create a healthy community. So, it's much easier to do a disassociation thing.

Everything that we have every known or experience shapes our world. Now, it was much more forgivable for blacks to be so judgmental (they get what they deserve/worked for mentality) back in the day when it was almost an unwritten given that we were an inferior species of man. Many of us (cf, the Talented Tenth) spent a large part of our lives proving that we're the exception to the rest. We'll claim the equality of man until our ox is gored by the racist society and then turn around and talk about how "some" black folks in the most condescending internalized racist tones when not in the presence of the majority. We've come to mistake those perceptions as keeping it real.

What's really honest though is that almost everybody who can talk about somebody and the mistakes they made and the lives they lead are subject to that same type of talk (putdown) themselves by the next group who feels its superior.

It's got to stop!

We need to ask the fundamental question: If the human genome has now proved that mankind (womankind) are the same species, why do we have these disparities that would seem to indicate otherwise? Saying there are lazy people is not an answer. Why do we have a preponderance of lazy people over and above the favored population? It all boils down to --lock, stock and barrel--racism and differentiated treatment.

Now, that's almost as unpopular stance in black circles as it is among the most radical in the majority (white) circles. No one wants to feel disempowered in this way, especially when one considers that the only method of attainment is to act like it's not happening or it really doesn't hurt. We're all beckoned to be strong, not get caught up in the inner city blues. Well, if the inner city blues were not a real probability, there would be no such term.

When you screw up people, not all of them are going to fall apart, but a significant amount of them will. White folks are just as screwed up as we are, but they use the organizations created from all of our common tax dollars (i.e., government) to mitigate their human frailities. They also have historically, and continue to use, us as antimatter for that purpose. Look at the responses when that white crackhead lady got shot on Sanford Avenue. There was all this soul seaching about what went wrong. All this talk about how she like went on safari to live among the dazed druggies of the ghetto. This, a proper white woman!! There were people who came on Newarkspeaks who told how they were dying to give this woman a second chance before she paid the ultimate price for her drug use. Those black kids who died should have been so lucky; maybe they would have been smart enough to accept one of her countless offers of intervention, perhaps become successful and be able to turn down their noses, too.

I am tired of us having to prove how down we are with mainstream ideals and Establishment policies by beating on ourselves--yes, even those whose behaviors in no way do I sanction. I know when we see someone who looks like us and he's living foul, it can tend to be personal--and perhaps it should. But too often that process is rigged. It becomes personal because racism has us painted as a "color" instead of a "person." But we cannot follow that lead by being so hateful toward the screwups that we start calling them animals and they get what they deserve. Like I mentioned in a previous post, there are those out there who think that by the mere fact that we reside in Newark that we should not complain about what goes on here. We need to understand that we're all in this together. Even the misguided car thief... even the dozens upon dozens of Newark's denizens inaugurated into the prison-industrial complex as nonviolent drugs offenders.

Every ethnic group has its leaders/followers, screwups/stars, smart/ignorant... For us the stakes are always higher because we have to approximate Supernegro just to maintain second-class status. Occasionally some of us break into first. You don't get there by concentrating on obstacles. We should not let our anecdotes of personal achievement become a call for the same Social Darwinism principles that no other groups adhere to and will destroy us.

We are lacking a GOVERNMENT that cares and we think it's cool to give up on demanding our taxpayer rights like an unwed mother with an absent dad. Now, we may all applaud when such an unwed mother enrolls in community college and says she "don't need no man" to help her, but that puts her at a disadvantage. So therefore for every 10 women who have a supportive baby's dad as opposed to those who do not, which group of ten is likely to have more success? It's not things can't be the same... it's just THEY MAKE THE WORLD SO HARD EVERYDAY. That, coupled with the wealth confiscation that slavery and Jim Crow provided, can probably be mathematically modeled to show what we got today. So while we Big up our achievements, let's not forget that the struggle should NOT be so hard.

Lyrics to Bob Marley's "Stiff Necked Fools"

Stiff-necked fools, you think you are cool
To deny me for simplicity.
Yes, you have gone for so long
With your love for vanity now.
Yes, you have got the wrong interpretation
Mixed up with vain imagination.

So take Jah Sun, and Jah Moon,
And Jah Rain, and Jah Stars,
And forever, yes, erase your fantasy, yea-eah!

The lips of the righteous teach many,
But fools die for want of wisdom.
The rich man's wealth is in his city;
The righteous' wealth is in his Holy Place.

So take Jah Sun, and Jah Moon,
And Jah Rain, and Jah Stars,
And forever, yes, erase your fantasy, yeah!
Destruction of the poor is in their poverty;
Destruction of the soul is vanity, yeah!

So stiff-necked fools, you think you are cool
To deny me for simplicity, yea-ea-eah!
Yes, you have gone - gone for so long
With your love for vanity now.

But I don't wanna rule ya!
I don't wanna fool ya!
I don't wanna school ya:
Things you - you might never know about!

Yes, you have got the wrong interpretation
Mixed up with vain - vain imagination:
Stiff-necked fools, you think you are cool
To deny me for, o-ooh, simplicity. [fadeout]

Interesting Link: http://www.solidarity-us.org/node/23

I wrote this fast... so forgive any redundancy and if I'm not clear, I'll explain my thoughts.

[CaseClosed]

Thanks Case,

Hey that's something to think about. Now that you said that, you made a good point, back in my day and I'm a 70's baby, we had good shows to watch. Good Times, Give me a break, Different Strokes, Facts of life, mickey mouse club, zoom zoom, electric company, after school specials. We had a variety of shows that made us run home everyday. Now kids are watching shows that teach violence and video games that prep one to not fear killing.

Our video games included atari and the corner store arcade games, pacman, ms pacman, space invaders, donk king kong.

Our cartoons consisted of Archie and friends, lil rascals(live) the old woody woodpecker, catch that pigeon(what is the name of that cartoon) magilla gorilla, tom and jerry. Wow we had some good shows.

Well Case, what would you suggest that her generation do, should they boycott some of these shows, should they write congress regarding music that is displayed on the radio, should they write congress about the violence of video games. What are some of the suggestions that the younger generations can learn from. Case you just cant say it's their fault (sort to speak) without giving some suggestions, remember this each one teach one :o

Yes, people should write Congress, video makers, music producers, the Media in general and let them know you do not want garbage or recycled music stolen and devalued from the original artists. Better yet, don't buy it and don't expose your young children to it. We've lost many young people as a result of the negative music and don't believe anyone who says the negatives don't have an effect on impressionable young people.

We can also stop putting so much emphasis on material things. There are parents who can not afford to buy their kids the latest gear so they can fit in with their peers. The emphasis should be on education and with one, in many cases, comes the money to buy. But when the money comes the emphasis should be on building wealth and not making someone who's aleady rich become richer. Our priorities are mixed up and we need to re evaluate them.


We also need to mend our relationships with each other, especially our mates and the mothers and fathers of our children. Sons especially need their fathers in their lives if they are positive role models. They can help guide their sons and daughters. Fathers can teach their daughters about men and teach their sons what it means to be a man and it doesn'tmean spreading his seed(sperm) around to different women.

We must know who are children are associating with. They must be allowed in your home so you can get to know them and your child, in your presence can get to know them. Your child knows what is acceptable in your home and what is expected of him and you as the parent shouldn't accept any less of your child.

Help your child build his self esteem so that when he is confronted with negativity, he will reject it. Children need their parents more than they need things, so be there for your kids.

Visit your child's school often. Sit in his classroom and see what he's learning. Help your kids with their homework and if you are unable because of your lack of education, go back to school.

I want schools to consider uniforms. When students are wearing the same uniform, they are not oncentrating on what he doesn't have on because every student will be wearing the same outfit.

Above all else, have faith and never compromise your faith and beliefs and always do what is right.

I'm not an expert and I've made my share of mistakes which I have learned from and I continue striving to make improvements. When I've worked on myself and made myself better, I am whole and those around me benefit. Don't expect someone else to make you happy. Your happiness is your responsibilty.

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You are passionate and driven....I like that, and think those are excellant traits to have....

Respectfully, I think you need to broaden your focus a little bit. From your post and comments it seems as though you are so deep in your thoughts you miss certain things....Its all good - we all do it.....

The ills of this society and culture is far bigger than "the negative rappers, drug dealers, and gangbangers...", although they are a part of the problem...I don't consider them in the least bit the source....

We, as a people (forget about generation), have to begin pointing the finger at ourselves and claiming responsibilty for ourselves.....
Stop blaming others and do your part......

Think about it....you were claiming that Violet's generation dropped the ball....
Let me ask you....the people who were suppose to train and properly equiped this generation with the tools to carrry on the burning torch...are part of what generation?????

Respectfully
ROB



I respect you and your point of view. You are correct. We can't blame others for our own mistakes. We must man and woman up and take responsibilty for our actions so we don't become a statistic.

A couple of months ago, I had a conversation with a young man who was a big time drug dealer. I told him he needed to get out of the business before he ended up where he didn't want to be. I told him the life he was leading isn't right and he was destroying his own people. He was fashionably dressed and appeared not to be listening. When I asked him was he listening he said yes and that he would get out of the business. A few hours after our conversation, he was still selling and days and weeks later, he continued to sell. Where is he now? He's in jail and hasn't been released on bail. I wonder if he's thought about our conversation in his cell?

There was another dealer I had the same converstion with and he is dead.

His lifestyle was bigger than my little bit of advice

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Case,

I have to agree to disagree with you on some of your comments. I agree that the younger generation have infested our communities worst than it's ever been. I also agree that racism, the media, and their surroundings is a great factor in their destruction. However, I don't agree that the past generation past the torch "properly". The generations prior to this generation were running the race without the torch. The era of the 60's set the tone for drug use and it trickled down from generation to generation. As you may say that back then they had a handle on drugs and crime, but this clearly set the tone for what we see today. Some of the gangbangers learned the street life from past generations and the O'G's (Orginal Ganster). Some of these kids were born from drug addicted parents..(crack babies). Some were even born HIV positive. The past generation didn't do any justice and surely did not pave a clean path to follow.


The question is how can we change this epidemic so that it doesn't get past down the vicious cycle of destruction? We can implement programs, for parents and children to educate and empower them to do better. We must first start in the homes, kids usually look up to their parents and if mom and dad ain't living right, what do you expect? Second we need community involvement, I strongly believe in the old adage..."It takes a Village to raise a child", we must nuture the village, we must hold everyone accountable. We tend to turn our backs on negative behavior, but we need to pull these kids aside and tell them, the consequences their about to face living that type of lifestyle.


Again the past generation have failed our future generation, so collectively we must work cohesively to improve our communities.


you have the right to disagree. Nothing I say is written in stone, but some things I say make sense.:)

We all have gifts we can share with the world to make life better. What affects one affects all, but the village has changed. There are people who don't want the advice of others. They are the people who have to learn about life the hard way. I suppose wherever in their lives they are is where they were meant to be given the choices they made.

When we are free, we have free will to do or not do a thing.

Many of the rights you are now allotted were because of the people who came before you and not all of the people were getting high. They were marching and protesting to bring about change. otherwise, we'd still be in chains. In some cases, the chains are on our minds and not on our feet.

[violet87]

originally posted by Rob
The ills of this society and culture is far bigger than "the negative rappers, drug dealers, and gangbangers...", although they are a part of the problem...I don't consider them in the least bit the source....

We, as a people (forget about generation), have to begin pointing the finger at ourselves and claiming responsibilty for ourselves.....
Stop blaming others and do your part......

Think about it....you were claiming that Violet's generation dropped the ball....
Let me ask you....the people who were suppose to train and properly equiped this generation with the tools to carrry on the burning torch...are part of what generation?????

Respectfully
ROB

Right on Rob!
and for the record for those of you trying to figure out my age...I'll be 20 on Feb. the 20th and I was born in 1987 NOT the 90s.;) and i'm a sophomore in college
February babies are the best! LOL!:D :D :D

[violet87]

MNC, RoB, spoken word...thank you all for reiterating the pt. that lack of love and community is a issue.

i wrote that my two additional reasons for our problems is spiritual and class but i implied throughout the whole discussion that lack of guidance and community is another factor
originally posted by violet
when are we going to take responsibility for the way we treat each other? Self hatred and lack of respect is home grown…some ppl act like that due to the lack of love in the home and sense of community.

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MNC, RoB, spoken word...thank you all for reiterating the pt. that lack of love and community is a issue.

i wrote that my two additional reasons for our problems is spiritual and class but i implied throughout the whole discussion that lack of guidance and community is another factor


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Right on Rob!
and for the record for those of you trying to figure out my age...I'll be 20 on Feb. the 20th and I was born in 1987 NOT the 90s.;) and i'm a sophomore in college
February babies are the best! LOL!:D :D :D

late 1980's through the 1990s'.

Okay, Violet, I was 3 years off.:)

[CaptainJim59]

I respect you and your point of view. You are correct. We can't blame others for our own mistakes. We must man and woman up and take responsibilty for our actions so we don't become a statistic.

A couple of months ago, I had a conversation with a young man who was a big time drug dealer. I told him he needed to get out of the business before he ended up where he didn't want to be. I told him the life he was leading isn't right and he was destroying his own people. He was fashionably dressed and appeared not to be listening. When I asked him was he listening he said yes and that he would get out of the business. A few hours after our conversation, he was still selling and days and weeks later, he continued to sell. Where is he now? He's in jail and hasn't been released on bail. I wonder if he's thought about our conversation in his cell?

There was another dealer I had the same converstion with and he is dead.

His lifestyle was bigger than my little bit of advice

but here I go. Maybe you should have called the Police and told them about what they are doing to the community with their doings. They are the bane of our cities!!!

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but here I go. Maybe you should have called the Police and told them about what they are doing to the community with their doings. They are the bane of our cities!!!

were informed by the residents and although it took time, and based on my advice to him which he rejected, he is where I told him he would be when he could have been in college getting a formal education.

[violet87]

why did you write happy belated birthday? February didn't even get here yet...LOL! :D :D :D :D

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why did you write happy belated birthday? February didn't even get here yet...LOL! :D :D :D :D

I'm sure I will forget your birthday, hence the belated Happy Birthday. LOL



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