This hits right at home here...

[jazzyken]

I am unsure if any of you guys have the priveldge to visit any of our area hospitals. I had the unfortunate priviledge two weeks ago. Newark Beth is HORRIBLE in the ER. We waited for over 6 hours while my hubby had chest pains and his pressure was 208/122!!! They did not have the staff nor the patience to deal with the overwhelming population that crowds in their ER. And you have to think that UMDNJ is far worst!!! But lets just think about it... Irvington General CLOSED - Hospital Center at Orange CLOSED - cutbacks are here and possible Columbus closing and another hospital in Elizabeth!!! The population is increasing yet schools and hospitals are closing... something is really wrong with this picture!!!


Finances unhealthy at N.J.'s hospitals
Tuesday, March 20, 2007
BY ANGELA STEWART
Star-Ledger Staff
New Jersey's acute-care hospitals are in poor financial shape compared with those in other states, which could make it difficult to pay for needed capital improvements, according to a report released yesterday.

Standard & Poor's, the credit rating firm, said that as many as a dozen New Jersey hospitals may close as a result of weak balance sheets -- a development that could have a "beneficial effect" on the remaining facilities.

"The bottom line is that there are really hospitals in New Jersey that are not doing well," said Charlene Butterfield, a Standard & Poor's analyst and the report's lead author.

While hospitals nationwide generally enjoyed positive credit rating trends, the report found New Jersey hospitals going the other direction. Capital Health System, Solaris Health System and Saint Barnabas Health Care System all had negative outlooks, according to the report.

"New Jersey hospitals, by and large, have been left out in the cold," the report concludes, noting that operating margins at state hospitals are low, which has led to weaker cash flow.

The majority of New Jersey health nonprofits were rated "BBB," compared with a median "A" category rating nationwide, the report states.

New Jersey has no providers in the "AA" rating category, compared with 15 percent nationwide

Two New Jersey hospitals -- Columbus in Newark and Pascack Valley in Westwood -- are the only two hospitals in the country rated "CCC" by Standard & Poor's. Typically, "CCC" is the lowest rating for hospitals that haven't yet defaulted or gone into bankruptcy, the analyst said.

Among the factors driving New Jersey's relatively poor financial performance are a reduction in Medicare reimbursement for treating the costliest patients -- called outlier payments -- and competition from academic medical centers in New York and Philadelphia, the report said.

Overall, South Jersey hospitals -- with fewer beds, lower population density and increasingly sound business growth in suburban markets -- have made a financial comeback, the report notes. This has translated into measurable improvement in credit quality.

The report says AtlantiCare (Atlantic City) and Atlantic Health System (Morristown, Overlook, Mountainside) are "beating the odds and serving as bright spots," with credit ratings of A and A+ respectively in 2006.

Officials of the New Jersey Hospital Association, which represents the state's 82 acute-care hospitals, said they were not surprised by the report's findings.

"Although some hospitals are doing better than others, as a whole, the financial status of New Jersey's not-for-profit hospitals is fragile at best," said Ron Czajkowski, an association spokesman.

He said the result may be more layoffs, service cuts and fewer equipment updates if hospitals can't readily borrow or have to pay higher rates for loans.

Last year, Gov. Jon Corzine formed the 11-member Commission on Rationalizing Health Care Resources to evaluate New Jersey's hospitals and see which, if any, should be closed.

Yesterday's report referred to the merger of two hospitals in Elizabeth and the closure of the Hospital Center in Orange as being "in the spirit of Gov. Corzine's commission," adding that further closures in the "overbedded and competitive Northern market" could follow.

A spokesman for Pascack Valley Hospital, which is negotiating to become an affiliate of Hackensack University Medical Center, said the credit ratings dated to October 2006.

"Since then we have investigated various options which will improve our rating and enhance our high quality of care," said John Corcoran, a senior vice president.

Officials at Cathedral Healthcare System, meanwhile, said they only expect the plight of its affiliate, Columbus Hospital, and other inner-city health care institutions to worsen, citing "drastic reimbursement cuts for Medicaid, Medicare and charity care."

Angela Stewart may be reached at astewart@starledger.com or (973) 392-4178.

© 2007 The Star Ledger

[LastCubanStanding]

The report says AtlantiCare (Atlantic City) and Atlantic Health System (Morristown, Overlook, Mountainside) are "beating the odds and serving as bright spots," with credit ratings of A and A+ respectively in 2006.

We've said it here before - every man and women for him/herself. Head out of the City if you are sick. Call a cab instead of 911.

[karimah]

My aunt had a heart attack two years ago, when i get to Beth Israel that night I thought i was dreaming, it was bed's all over the place, you couldn't even walk down the isles straight, it look like the whole weequahic section had an emergency evacuation and they all meet up at the hospital. I will never go to beth israel , even if i got shot right in front of the place (3 thumbs down to death israel)

[jazzyken]

Now imagine what will happen if they close two more hospitals in the area!!! Hey state legislators what is the real deal!!!

[JoefromPGH]

This is not a good situation. My take is this is being caused by the fact that there are so many people uninsured or insured by Medicaid or Medicare, the latter two of which have seen significant funding cuts by congress. We all easily say that the hospitals are "taking us for a ride." Yet, the ride that they take those with health insurance or those that can afford to pay is not nearly enough to compensate the losses from those not insured or underinsured.

NJ is not only getting hit from the funding side but also from the very high cost of personnel. Other states may be doing better, like CA or NY but my take there is that the state is helping to keep the hospitals solvent more so than in NJ.

We need national health insurance. There are no ifs ands or buts.

And I remember the day, not so long ago, when Beth Israel was the BEST hospital in Newark. Sheesh even St Barnabas is having issues. Not good at all!

[jazzyken]

Joe that is partially the problem... NJ has been hit with an enormous amount of illegal aliens that do not qualify for insurance. Fed and State guidelines forbid any hospital that accepts government money to turn away any patient for insurance reasons.. noble and understandable law but hospitals are losing money big time!!! They are not able to run let alone care for the patients they need to care for... horrible catch 22!!!

[Miss Tam-Tam]

I am unsure if any of you guys have the priveldge to visit any of our area hospitals. I had the unfortunate priviledge two weeks ago. Newark Beth is HORRIBLE in the ER. We waited for over 6 hours while my hubby had chest pains and his pressure was 208/122!!! They did not have the staff nor the patience to deal with the overwhelming population that crowds in their ER. And you have to think that UMDNJ is far worst!!! But lets just think about it... Irvington General CLOSED - Hospital Center at Orange CLOSED - cutbacks are here and possible Columbus closing and another hospital in Elizabeth!!! The population is increasing yet schools and hospitals are closing... something is really wrong with this picture!!!

Not too long ago, when a client of Cuban's had taken ill, we had a discussion regarding area hospitals. At the time, I spoke of a horrific experience I had a Beth Israel when, during a brief hospital stay for a gastro problem, I was in danger of losing my life twice through sheer ineptitude. Our area hospitals are really struggling. This is why it is extremely important to take care of your health as best as you possibly can. Stay on top of your health and get as much care as you can on an out-patient basis. Make those regular medical check-up appointments and keep them. Because you simply do not want to wind up in a hospital bed under the declining environment. As it is, too many variables can go wrong anyhow in a hospital that's operating in top form. But when hospitals are suffering financially they start cutting back.

Jazzy, I hope your hubby is doing okay. It is truly disturbing that your husband had to wait so long with chest pains. Usually a chest pain patient is triaged into a bed and a cardiologist paged almost immediately. A few years ago I had chest pains and drove myself -- not recommended -- to the ER at Saint Barnabas in Livingston. Within seconds I was placed in a bed and was treated by the chief of the emergency room.

[jazzyken]

Tam that was not the case with my hubby... he drove himself instead of calling the ambulance. When I got there after work, he was still sitting on a stretcher waiting to see a doctor. I work in a hospital and that is clearly unacceptable!! Once I got there and started speaking of the state requirements and what should have been done when my husband presented himself... they all scrambled!!! there was a woman brought from the dialysis unit IN newark beth that was stuck in a corner and forgot about until her sister arrived!!! She was there for hours while her sugar was as low as 75!!! Unacceptable and trust me my letter is on the way!!!

[JoefromPGH]

Tam that was not the case with my hubby... he drove himself instead of calling the ambulance. When I got there after work, he was still sitting on a stretcher waiting to see a doctor. I work in a hospital and that is clearly unacceptable!! Once I got there and started speaking of the state requirements and what should have been done when my husband presented himself... they all scrambled!!! there was a woman brought from the dialysis unit IN newark beth that was stuck in a corner and forgot about until her sister arrived!!! She was there for hours while her sugar was as low as 75!!! Unacceptable and trust me my letter is on the way!!!

That is truly a horror story! Your husband should have been given top priority and so should that lady. Even a hospital in financial straights must maintain quality care, up until the very minute it is shut down. As to Beth Israel and Columbus, where I was born, I hope that they can be turned around both financially and in patient care. Newark and the surrounding area really needs these hospitals.

I hope that your hubby is ok and if he requires blood pressure medication, taking it first thing in the AM should be priority.

[jazzyken]

Thank God he is fine... he went to the hospital the day after we buried my grandmother!!! It was strenous to say the least but he is fine as long as he change his eating habits, lose some weight, take his medications... MEN!!!

[Make Newark Clean]

And with closing all these hospitals, what happens if bird flu really does hit? What about the almost guaranteed possibility one day of an attack using weapons of mass destruction? North Jersey has 6 million people.

We're always putting up traffic lights after the pedestrian gets walloped. More American-style fiscal shortsightedness for anything that enhances our quality of life.

Anybody got an extra trillion dollars for a war?

[whoami2u]

We have all been there or had a loved one in that sittuation. We can say EMS is slow, or that E.D's are understaffed, and so on, and so on. The truth of the matter is that in the Urban areas, people use the E.D's as their personal clinics. How do people get to the E.D? by calling 911. No matter how minor the request for EMS is, EMS must send an Ambulance. So, if their are 32 request's for EMS within minutes apart...a hand full may be true emergencies. So, while Jane calls for her stubbed thumb, Joey having the heart attack may have to wait for a unit to free up. In some southern states, as well as some western sates, EMS has the right to evaluate a patient at the scene and refuse to transport that person to an ED if it is deemed to be a minor emergency. NJ will not allow that.

As far as your E.D's, yes, they are understaffed and budgets have been cut deep. Sadly the nurse's and EMS are blamed for slow response and do not get the credit for their hard work that is always overlooked.

Many people in these areas do not have insurance, or money to pay the medical bill. They know they will get free treatment at the E.R's. Instead of seeing their personal doctor, they call 911 and go to the Hospital. The E.R. by law has to see them.

Again, when you have one nurse in charge of 12 patients, the service provided will be lacking care. True emergencies will suffer, and yes people will die because of it. When Jane calls 911 for a 2 week old toothache at 0300, and many more non emergency request's continue to pile in, this will always hurt the system...

So, next time you are in this sittuation, don't blame the Nurse, or EMS...look around and see how many of those beds are actuall patient emergencies.

[JoefromPGH]

We have all been there or had a loved one in that sittuation. We can say EMS is slow, or that E.D's are understaffed, and so on, and so on. The truth of the matter is that in the Urban areas, people use the E.D's as their personal clinics. How do people get to the E.D? by calling 911. No matter how minor the request for EMS is, EMS must send an Ambulance. So, if their are 32 request's for EMS within minutes apart...a hand full may be true emergencies. So, while Jane calls for her stubbed thumb, Joey having the heart attack may have to wait for a unit to free up. In some southern states, as well as some western sates, EMS has the right to evaluate a patient at the scene and refuse to transport that person to an ED if it is deemed to be a minor emergency. NJ will not allow that.

As far as your E.D's, yes, they are understaffed and budgets have been cut deep. Sadly the nurse's and EMS are blamed for slow response and do not get the credit for their hard work that is always overlooked.


Many people in these areas do not have insurance, or money to pay the medical bill. They know they will get free treatment at the E.R's. Instead of seeing their personal doctor, they call 911 and go to the Hospital. The E.R. by law has to see them.

Again, when you have one nurse in charge of 12 patients, the service provided will be lacking care. True emergencies will suffer, and yes people will die because of it. When Jane calls 911 for a 2 week old toothache at 0300, and many more non emergency request's continue to pile in, this will always hurt the system...

So, next time you are in this sittuation, don't blame the Nurse, or EMS...look around and see how many of those beds are actuall patient emergencies.

If I were sleeping for 30 years and just woke up, I would not believe the state of emergency our whole health system is in. Yet, those in power always say that "America has the best health system in the world." It does, if you are lucky enough to have a good health plan and you are healthy.

The only way to change this is to mobilize for national candidates who enthusiatically support national heath coverage. Its time has not only come; its OVERDUE!

[spokenword]

We have all been there or had a loved one in that sittuation. We can say EMS is slow, or that E.D's are understaffed, and so on, and so on. The truth of the matter is that in the Urban areas, people use the E.D's as their personal clinics. How do people get to the E.D? by calling 911. No matter how minor the request for EMS is, EMS must send an Ambulance. So, if their are 32 request's for EMS within minutes apart...a hand full may be true emergencies. So, while Jane calls for her stubbed thumb, Joey having the heart attack may have to wait for a unit to free up. In some southern states, as well as some western sates, EMS has the right to evaluate a patient at the scene and refuse to transport that person to an ED if it is deemed to be a minor emergency. NJ will not allow that.

As far as your E.D's, yes, they are understaffed and budgets have been cut deep. Sadly the nurse's and EMS are blamed for slow response and do not get the credit for their hard work that is always overlooked.

Many people in these areas do not have insurance, or money to pay the medical bill. They know they will get free treatment at the E.R's. Instead of seeing their personal doctor, they call 911 and go to the Hospital. The E.R. by law has to see them.

Again, when you have one nurse in charge of 12 patients, the service provided will be lacking care. True emergencies will suffer, and yes people will die because of it. When Jane calls 911 for a 2 week old toothache at 0300, and many more non emergency request's continue to pile in, this will always hurt the system...

So, next time you are in this sittuation, don't blame the Nurse, or EMS...look around and see how many of those beds are actuall patient emergencies.



Shouldn't there be some sort of discretion when patients enter the ER, if someone is coming in for severe chest pains wouldn't that be considered priority? Granted, you have people from all walks of life entering the emergency rooms SOME OF US DO CARRY INSURANCE!!! but because the ER staff is use to assisting patients who claim to have emergencies, they allow you to wait it out!!!!! Is this fair to anyone suffering? NO!!


The ER rooms are nasty, (unclean) The nurse's seem stressed out and tired which shows in their performance and it's just unfair treatment to Black people.

Perhaps prioritizing and separating the frequent crackhead from the person who have a true emergency would be a suggestion!

[Make Newark Clean]

We have all been there or had a loved one in that sittuation. We can say EMS is slow, or that E.D's are understaffed, and so on, and so on. The truth of the matter is that in the Urban areas, people use the E.D's as their personal clinics. How do people get to the E.D? by calling 911. No matter how minor the request for EMS is, EMS must send an Ambulance. So, if their are 32 request's for EMS within minutes apart...a hand full may be true emergencies. So, while Jane calls for her stubbed thumb, Joey having the heart attack may have to wait for a unit to free up. In some southern states, as well as some western sates, EMS has the right to evaluate a patient at the scene and refuse to transport that person to an ED if it is deemed to be a minor emergency. NJ will not allow that.

As far as your E.D's, yes, they are understaffed and budgets have been cut deep. Sadly the nurse's and EMS are blamed for slow response and do not get the credit for their hard work that is always overlooked.

Many people in these areas do not have insurance, or money to pay the medical bill. They know they will get free treatment at the E.R's. Instead of seeing their personal doctor, they call 911 and go to the Hospital. The E.R. by law has to see them.

Again, when you have one nurse in charge of 12 patients, the service provided will be lacking care. True emergencies will suffer, and yes people will die because of it. When Jane calls 911 for a 2 week old toothache at 0300, and many more non emergency request's continue to pile in, this will always hurt the system...

So, next time you are in this sittuation, don't blame the Nurse, or EMS...look around and see how many of those beds are actuall patient emergencies.

Huh? This is no excuse for neglect.

A lot of people can't afford health insurance or can't get it. Who in her right mind would opt to sit around for open-ended hours in an emergency room instead of seeing her personal doctor if she had one to begin with?

People need affordable health care. What? now we're blaming the sick because our politicians cannot lead on health care?

Your point about the ambulance is well taken. Maybe that can be run better.

What a country.

P.S. Wasn't the state of NJ in the midst of establishing clinics to provide services that uninsured folks can use in lieu of an emergency department? Is that still happening?

[LastCubanStanding]

We have all been there or had a loved one in that sittuation. We can say EMS is slow, or that E.D's are understaffed, and so on, and so on. The truth of the matter is that in the Urban areas, people use the E.D's as their personal clinics. How do people get to the E.D? by calling 911. No matter how minor the request for EMS is, EMS must send an Ambulance. So, if their are 32 request's for EMS within minutes apart...a hand full may be true emergencies. So, while Jane calls for her stubbed thumb, Joey having the heart attack may have to wait for a unit to free up. In some southern states, as well as some western sates, EMS has the right to evaluate a patient at the scene and refuse to transport that person to an ED if it is deemed to be a minor emergency. NJ will not allow that.

As far as your E.D's, yes, they are understaffed and budgets have been cut deep. Sadly the nurse's and EMS are blamed for slow response and do not get the credit for their hard work that is always overlooked.

Many people in these areas do not have insurance, or money to pay the medical bill. They know they will get free treatment at the E.R's. Instead of seeing their personal doctor, they call 911 and go to the Hospital. The E.R. by law has to see them.

Again, when you have one nurse in charge of 12 patients, the service provided will be lacking care. True emergencies will suffer, and yes people will die because of it. When Jane calls 911 for a 2 week old toothache at 0300, and many more non emergency request's continue to pile in, this will always hurt the system...

So, next time you are in this sittuation, don't blame the Nurse, or EMS...look around and see how many of those beds are actuall patient emergencies.

Hence the need for real medical care for poor people, so they don't end up in ED's.

[CaseClosed]

We have all been there or had a loved one in that sittuation. We can say EMS is slow, or that E.D's are understaffed, and so on, and so on. The truth of the matter is that in the Urban areas, people use the E.D's as their personal clinics. How do people get to the E.D? by calling 911. No matter how minor the request for EMS is, EMS must send an Ambulance. So, if their are 32 request's for EMS within minutes apart...a hand full may be true emergencies. So, while Jane calls for her stubbed thumb, Joey having the heart attack may have to wait for a unit to free up. In some southern states, as well as some western sates, EMS has the right to evaluate a patient at the scene and refuse to transport that person to an ED if it is deemed to be a minor emergency. NJ will not allow that.

As far as your E.D's, yes, they are understaffed and budgets have been cut deep. Sadly the nurse's and EMS are blamed for slow response and do not get the credit for their hard work that is always overlooked.

Many people in these areas do not have insurance, or money to pay the medical bill. They know they will get free treatment at the E.R's. Instead of seeing their personal doctor, they call 911 and go to the Hospital. The E.R. by law has to see them.

Again, when you have one nurse in charge of 12 patients, the service provided will be lacking care. True emergencies will suffer, and yes people will die because of it. When Jane calls 911 for a 2 week old toothache at 0300, and many more non emergency request's continue to pile in, this will always hurt the system...

So, next time you are in this sittuation, don't blame the Nurse, or EMS...look around and see how many of those beds are actuall patient emergencies.


in the State be because of the many people who seek medical help in the emergency rooms who don't have insurance yet are treated? Those figures add up.

[jazzyken]

We have all been there or had a loved one in that sittuation. We can say EMS is slow, or that E.D's are understaffed, and so on, and so on. The truth of the matter is that in the Urban areas, people use the E.D's as their personal clinics. How do people get to the E.D? by calling 911. No matter how minor the request for EMS is, EMS must send an Ambulance. So, if their are 32 request's for EMS within minutes apart...a hand full may be true emergencies. So, while Jane calls for her stubbed thumb, Joey having the heart attack may have to wait for a unit to free up. In some southern states, as well as some western sates, EMS has the right to evaluate a patient at the scene and refuse to transport that person to an ED if it is deemed to be a minor emergency. NJ will not allow that.

As far as your E.D's, yes, they are understaffed and budgets have been cut deep. Sadly the nurse's and EMS are blamed for slow response and do not get the credit for their hard work that is always overlooked.

Many people in these areas do not have insurance, or money to pay the medical bill. They know they will get free treatment at the E.R's. Instead of seeing their personal doctor, they call 911 and go to the Hospital. The E.R. by law has to see them.

Again, when you have one nurse in charge of 12 patients, the service provided will be lacking care. True emergencies will suffer, and yes people will die because of it. When Jane calls 911 for a 2 week old toothache at 0300, and many more non emergency request's continue to pile in, this will always hurt the system...

So, next time you are in this sittuation, don't blame the Nurse, or EMS...look around and see how many of those beds are actuall patient emergencies.
That is no excuse not to treat patients!!! There are standards of care that needs to be met regardless of the 3am toothache or the man with chest pains and high blood pressure!!! I could not give a rat's as* what the call is... every emergency needs to be evaluated, treated and stabilized!!! That is why we have laws in place to make sure that everyone is seen and evaluated in a reasonable response time!!!

[CaseClosed]

That is no excuse not to treat patients!!! There are standards of care that needs to be met regardless of the 3am toothache or the man with chest pains and high blood pressure!!! I could not give a rat's as* what the call is... every emergency needs to be evaluated, treated and stabilized!!! That is why we have laws in place to make sure that everyone is seen and evaluated in a reasonable response time!!!

but let's face the reality of it, no or lesser or no treatment.

In the emergency room people are usually asked if they have insurance and if they don't, depending on the severity of their problem, they may been seen by a doctor, but in many cases, the hospital may refer patients to other facilities such as a clinic for further treatment.

[LastCubanStanding]

but let's face the reality of it, no or lesser or no treatment.

In the emergency room people are usually asked if they have insurance and if they don't, depending on the severity of their problem, they may been seen by a doctor, but in many cases, the hospital may refer patients to other facilities such as a clinic for further treatment.


NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The ED is mandated to see every patient that comes in. They may have to wait, but no patient is EVER turned away. Insurance has nothing to do with triage.

[CaseClosed]

NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The ED is mandated to see every patient that comes in. They may have to wait, but no patient is EVER turned away. Insurance has nothing to do with triage.

in the past because they didn't have health insurance. Up front, the hosptial wanted to know how the person would pay for the emergency treatment.

I've also seen patients seeking medical treatment at the emergency rooms give expired medical insurance cards and were denied treatment. They were told to see their private doctors.

[LastCubanStanding]

in the past because they didn't have health insurance. Up front, the hosptial wanted to know how the person would pay for the emergency treatment.

I've also seen patients seeking medical treatment at the emergency rooms give expired medical insurance cards and were denied treatment. They were told to see their private doctors.


What hospital?

What you witnessed was illegal. If something happened to those people because they were turned away the hospital might as well close because the lawsuits would be huge.

Women show up at Overlook Hospital all the time in labor despite not having insurance or their pre-natal doctors not affiliated with the hospital. They are treated. They get their pre-natal care elsewhere (if they get any) and show up at OH because it is a good hospital.

[ProSouth]

but let's face the reality of it, no or lesser or no treatment.

In the emergency room people are usually asked if they have insurance and if they don't, depending on the severity of their problem, they may been seen by a doctor, but in many cases, the hospital may refer patients to other facilities such as a clinic for further treatment.What hospital? Cube is right it is ILLEGAL?

[CaseClosed]

What hospital?

What you witnessed was illegal. If something happened to those people because they were turned away the hospital might as well close because the lawsuits would be huge.

Women show up at Overlook Hospital all the time in labor despite not having insurance or their pre-natal doctors not affiliated with the hospital. They are treated. They get their pre-natal care elsewhere (if they get any) and show up at OH because it is a good hospital.

I'm referring to is now closed, but it happened. There were many people turned down in the inner city because of lack of health insurance.

[spokenword]

I'm referring to is now closed, but it happened. There were many people turned down in the inner city because of lack of health insurance.


Are you talking about the old Martland now UMDNJ?

[CaseClosed]

Are you talking about the old Martland now UMDNJ?

the hospital that people said when you check in, you don't check out alive.

Presbyterian Hospital

[LastCubanStanding]

the hospital that people said when you check in, you don't check out alive.

Presbyterian Hospital


Jeez. What was that, 40 years ago?

NJ Hospitals write off (and bill paying customers) billions in charity care.

[CaseClosed]

Jeez. What was that, 40 years ago?

NJ Hospitals write off (and bill paying customers) billions in charity care.

it happened. It happened as hospitals were cracking down on non paying patients.

Are you aware Presbyterian was later changed to United Hospital?

[spokenword]

the hospital that people said when you check in, you don't check out alive.

Presbyterian Hospital


Yeah I remember how that hospital was once a great children's hospital, then slowly but surely it started to decline! I knew a married couple who both worked there and were laid off because of budget cuts.

[CaseClosed]

Yeah I remember how that hospital was once a great children's hospital, then slowly but surely it started to decline! I knew a married couple who both worked there and were laid off because of budget cuts.

wasn't an exclusive children's hospital. Children's Hosptial was located on Roseville Avenue not far from Presbyterian Hospital.

[jazzyken]

There is this little law known as EMTALA which states that no hospital can reject, refuse, or turn away any patient regardless of any reason... it could be insurance, injury or whatever... they can not be turned away!!!

[whoami2u]

What hospital? Cube is right it is ILLEGAL?

That is an EMTALA law violation if a hospital ER denies you an evaluation and does not stabilize the emergency.

The fines start off at $50.000 and they can go after the Doctor or Nurse directly

[Miss Tam-Tam]

Are you aware Presbyterian was later changed to United Hospital?

And now it sits there vacant and abandoned. Essex County was going to use it for their mental hospital, currently in Cedar Grove. But patient advocates protested and the county backed off. In the meantime, scavengers broke into the building and made off with thousands of dollars worth of copper piping and wiring.