Bill Bennett makes very Racist Remarks on His Radio Show

[TE2]

a riduclus, Stupid, statement, comming from the Former Drug Czar, Author of Moralities and Virtues, Major Power Broker, Media Talking Head, a Radio Talk show Host, Bill (Can you recognize me without my Sheet) Bennett said that if you want to lower the Crime rate, we should abort ALL Black Babies, for more info on his remarks checkout www.mediamatter.org
What do Yall think about his statement?
HOLLAR :D

[counterattack]

Is the excuse he gave on Hanity & Colmes he said he does not support aborting Black babies as a way to lower crime yet he did not say he does not support the idea that Blacks are responsible for most crimes. I have to tell you I don't know what it is but since Katrina these closet Racist Republicans are getting exposed from Barbara to Baby Bush etc.

[jazzyken]

What gets me is that everyone is asking for an apology... an apology for what he feels. He can feel whatever he wants but supporting his riches is retarded and he deserves NO PRESS PERIOD!!!
Bill Bennett's Morning in America airs on approximately 115 radio stations with an estimated weekly audience of 1.25 million listeners. His attitude towards Black America and all Americans is not reflected in the 1.25 million listeners he has on a weekly basis. Hit him hard and where it hurts... the pockets. His radio station should have banned his airplay. His endorsements should be revoked. If this was a Black American shouting racial slures everything would be snatched from under his feet. It is no different. I am appalled that he is getting this much airplay with his KKK thoughs and speech.

Edited to add: The Devil is a Liar!!!!

[Maximus]

I heard his remarks, and they were evil indeed.

But what is even more henious is the abortion industry in this country that wastes precious lives in the interests of personal convenience.

What Bennett said was wrong but they're just words. What is truly chilling is the ACTIONS people against the innocent (black & white) to cover their screwups.

[bunchysbp]

These leaders are beginning to slip up and spit out their true inner thoughts and feelings. A few weeks ago it was the Katrina reality show the media portraying us as ruthless animals now this...

" KNOW THY ENEMY"

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Re: Bill Bennett On Aborting Black Babies

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Originally Posted by Bilderbooger
Abortion sounds like a good alternative, but repatriating the negros back to Africa would be the best solution for reducing crime in the US.

Repatriation, abortion, anything as long as we get rid of them. Can you imagine what a paradise our country would be without them?

[Doofus1]

I am f' ing stunned. There is no apology or excuse for this one.

[5Reasons]

Yeah, Bennett said something very wrong, but you are missing the larger point in this midst of this faux anger. Yeah, his comments were wrong, but they had a touch of truth to it. When will you face up to it? In many urban cities, something like 40% of all black males between the ages of 18 and 44 are "involved" with the judicial system in some form. Is that truly the work of the white man? Or it more the product of the culture of poverty and the black community's lack of will to confront the problem? There are black neighborhoods that are ruled by criminals and gangs. Don't you get it? This notion of linking blacks to crime is racists, but in some areas, it is completely true. So while we can all blask Bennett and his racist followers in a great show of unity, it is all one grand distraction for dealing with the real problems - the dystopia that exists in urban communities. And let's all be very real - Bill Bennett probably won't be robbing me; my so-called "brothers" might try.

Let's stay focused people and deal with real issues that need to be dealt with. Bennett's racism, sadly, is minor league stuff, indeed.

[Insideout]

Yeah, Bennett said something very wrong, but you are missing the larger point in this midst of this faux anger. Yeah, his comments were wrong, but they had a touch of truth to it. When will you face up to it? In many urban cities, something like 40% of all black males between the ages of 18 and 44 are "involved" with the judicial system in some form. Is that truly the work of the white man? Or it more the product of the culture of poverty and the black community's lack of will to confront the problem? There are black neighborhoods that are ruled by criminals and gangs. Don't you get it? This notion of linking blacks to crime is racists, but in some areas, it is completely true. So while we can all blask Bennett and his racist followers in a great show of unity, it is all one grand distraction for dealing with the real problems - the dystopia that exists in urban communities. And let's all be very real - Bill Bennett probably won't be robbing me; my so-called "brothers" might try.

Let's stay focused people and deal with real issues that need to be dealt with. Bennett's racism, sadly, is minor league stuff, indeed.My Dear Dear favorite "cross-over" friend, why am I not surprised that you would be so naive, ill informed, and the first to eagerly perpetuate an attack against Black and Brown people disguised as logic and objectivity. First and foremost, individual responsibility is understood, therefore you don't need preach personal accountability. Thus, the problem must be addressed on all fronts, but what's difficult to tolerate and why I am having such a hard time keeping my breakfast down after reading your post is that the "real problem" as you see it are the poor people left behind to strangle under corporate and government interests that marginalizes and disenfranchises poor urban communities like Newark, and than turn around and add insult to injury and call for eugenics as a solution to the problem. This $hit is truly remarkable and like I said, I am not excusing anyone for bad behavior but your argument makes as much sense to me as arresting the $5 street peddler versus the Columbian drug czar for pushing crack and than wondering why the drug problem won't go away. Please. :cool:

[5Reasons]

If you were having a hard time keeping your breakfast down, then you should chew slower.

Please explain to me what "government and corporate interest" that makes students not want to study. Please point out the interest group, government or otherwise, that encourages black kids to drop out of school. Please show me the group, person, corporate interest et al that supports the systematic failure and the culture of poverty that dominates many neighborhoods in Newark? Please show me.

You talk about "many fronts," but you don't once address the negative culture that perpetuates, glorifies and encourages the "marginalization." And let's be clear - the marginalization is as much a self-perpetuating construct as any so-called external factors. Your denial of the problem is troubling.

There are black neighborhoods under siege by gangs, violence, grime, dirt and despair and there are people that have INVESTED in that construct (the gangs), and yet you want to somehow figure out a way to shift this argument to the "government and corporate interest"? My goodness, please end the denial. There is a subculture that has taken over low-income neighborhoods and until you (we) confront that subculture, it will continue TO GROW STRONGER with each cycle.

My so-called brother, when I ride around my town, I don't see a neigborhood anymore. I SEE A WAR. And, I see the victims of that war on every block. When I see the junkies trolling on every block of SOA, I see the walking dead. These are the people that got "caught up," and now it's over for them.

But let's take your ideas to the logical end. Let's say the drugs and the marginalization are all part of a grand Farrakhan-like C.O.N.-spira-C. Then what should we do? Should we go out and kill the drug dealers for being agents of the man? Should we take up arms against the government?

Please tell me your solution(s) to the hell that is Newark. Please offer up your rationale and excuses for the violence, gangs, dirt and grime that dominate Newark's black neighborhoods. And most important, please explain your rationale to the 90% of black Newarkers that work hard, play by the rules and DON'T GET JACK.

But I've seen your argument a thousand times. It's all about attacking the so-called "invisible governors" that supposedly rule black America. These invisible governors are out to "set black people up" for failure. But it's okay - we'll just lose another generation of low-income blacks to this culture that dishes out death and despair all in the name of a fast buck and a quick high.

At some point, we have got to have to courage to face up to what's wrong in our community. Apparently, you aren't there yet. You may never get there. You'll be out looking for the corporate heads that set up the superstructure while the working blacks continue to live their lives out in fear in their own neighborhoods. Forty years after the Civil Rights Bill was passed and blacks, just because they happen to have low-income, can't even live in a clean and safe neighborhood. When did that become acceptable? Why is it acceptable to you? More importantly, when (to you) will that NOT BE ACCEPTABLE?

I agree, we need to move on multifronts. I also agree that Bennet's comments are disgusting. But you are living in denial if you don't believe that today, on October 1st 2005 from Avon Avenue to Smith Street to Bradley Court to 16th Avenue that the gangs that control that territory are a larger threat to the quality of life than Bill Bennett's radio comments.

I hope you can eat your food and we can have a rationale discussion. I look forward to an interchange of ideas. Somehow I think we may end up blaming the nebulous white man for all phenomena we can't explain (Or, more likely, don't want to explain). This mentality is a sort of pre-Enlightenment framework in which we don't look for the scientific solutions, but instead, we allow the world to be framed by ghosts.

But again, let's say the white man wants to put the crack in the neighborhoods. What should be done? If the drug dealers are agents of whitey's hegemony, would you support having armed militias to murder these cartels? In your framework, we wouldn't be murdering the gangs, but the agents of the whitey. Would you support that?

[nashiba05]

TO FAT AS- BENNET

As I said before in an earlier post. These white folks think they can say anything about us. This big fat a--s had the nerve to open up his trap and say some crap like that! Unbelievable! What is wrong with folks like Bennet! This fat a-- idiot. What a racist ignorant remark! So if you abort all the black children in America this will reduce our crime.............. In that case you better start aborting all the white children. They are the ones thats crazy enough to go inside of a school and kill faculty, students whatever! They are the ones thats playing dungeons and dragons, they are the ones thats getting high off of sufficating themselves. They are the ones that will kill their parents in two seconds because they would'nt let them go to simple party. Don't get me started and anybody that states Bennett's remarks were not racist is a damn liar! We black folks are already on simmer! They better leave us the hell alone ! Let them keep it up, from the mistreatment in the missippi delta to this fools remarks. They are gonna make us start snapping!.. And let me tell you something, they think Al-Queda is a threat to them. They better stop fuc---g with us or they are gonna have more problems on their hands than that of the riots of the 60's! And thats not a threat, thats a damn promise!

[counterattack]

I may agree with most of the things you said here hell I too have said this about us as a people but surely you are not suggesting that we ignore he's racist comments because of self destruction within our community. Yes there is a bigger picture and we as blacks and browns need to address those issues but what is funny to me is how you are willing to give Bennet a pass yet you don't give the Mayor a pass when these same conditions exsist and he has no control over them because they are self inflicted. My thing about the Bennet comment just shows that these so-called reaching out to Black american republicans are now getting the covers pulled off there closet racist *sses and they are doing it because they beleive that they now have the ability to say these things now that they are in control of the media and the Faux News channel has pushed their right winged propaganda.

[J. Sharpe James, J.D.]

Is that he used to head the United States department of education :mad:

[5Reasons]

I hear you, Counter.

[ProSouth]

Insideout: First let me say that I personally and wholly believe that racism is STILL an inbred dynamic of our society that exists on every single level. However, 5 is 100% correct. Racism can do many things, but removing ones self-respect and respect for ones own community and future should not be one of them. 5 asks a very good question. O.K., we know white racism to be f'cked up; for the sake of argument let's say that it is the reason for everything that is going on in the hood today. Now what? How do we stop it? Do we write a letter to the Director of White Racism at the Department of Racism and Black Suppression and ask for the immediate cessation of their historical campaign? Or do we remember our stuggle in this country and respect it enough to squash the bull$****? Racism is not the reason why we don't respect ourselves. We are. Bennett said what he said not only because he is stupid, but mainly because he knows we are weak and lack self-respect and because of it we have lost the respect of others in this society. He knows that his comments will get plenty of affirmations and positive head nodding from those who have no respect for us as a people. Let's take away the slanted negative visual the media protays us as and lets look at the realistic visual and reality that we live in everyday in Newark. Damn near close huh?? And let's be logical for a minute. Are we suggesting that the same racists system that is causing all of our problems (supposedly) stop their racism and help us get our act together? And why would they do that. The whole premise and purpose of racism makes that idea a joke.

The problem with crime and ignorance in our community is US. Those of us who perpetuate it but worst, those of us who give excuses for it. As poor, downtrodden and limited as we were as a people before and after the Emancipation Proclaimation, and as far as we have come since, there is no way that we should TODAY be allowing anything or anybody take us back 300 years. Most of us know that if any white person called us a nigg*r we'd be ready to fight. We would expend nonsensical energies to uphold some sense of self-dignity we feel was disrespected. But most of us walk right past drug dealer, gang members, prostitutes, ect. who act like and treat US like nigg*rs all day every day and expend absolutely no energies at al all. What is it? We don't feel that same disrespect when we see our own tearing down, destroying and disrespecting OUR neighborhood? WONDER WHY? Aren't those who willingly crap in our neighborhood calling us nigg*ers to our faces? Of course they are.
So my next question is who hurts us more? Benett's comments or that Black fool on the corner of your block with all red or all blue on selling stuff they probably can't even spell? Bennett's comments or the cat that can't graduate high school? Bennett's comments or the 21 year old with 3 kids who is about to replicate his life through his kids by being a good example to them of hopelessness and ignorance for them to follow. Benett's comments or the group of kids who jumped kid in school because he or she is going there to get an education like you taught them and the other kids pick on them for it.

You see, Bennett's comments however distasteful and f'cked up they were does not do to us anywhere near what we are doing to ourselves. So the question is: If they are nigg*rs for what they do, what are we for allowing them to do it??

[5Reasons]

Great post, Pro.

[TE2]

I hope many of you are not going along with the Genecidal returick that Bennett spewed and YOU TO try to equate it to the Crime and Violence in the neighborhood, because through it all the Racist Bennett did not mention any other Race cant you guys see that.
Now lets go back and check our History, or better yet Lets go back to the History of America, and how it was founded what about those hanious crimes, Robbery, Rape, Stealing of a land, Enslaving a Race of people, and even in 2005 I do see everyday many of White people going to Jail for stealing and ripping of large corp, I dont need to name the crooks you know them come on (5) and others Dont for get the History of the Blacks in this Country, and Now let look at the real big Picture Bennett was saying is you could MURDER ALL BLACK PEOPLE trying to use the word ABORT as a undercover word even if he was trying to use a Exzample.
If you are fed up with the crime in your Community get Involved and make a diffrence ;)

[ProSouth]

I hope many of you are not going along with the Genecidal returick that Bennett spewed and YOU TO try to equate it to the Crime and Violence in the neighborhood, because through it all the Racist Bennett did not mention any other Race cant you guys see that. TE2: I see it, and I agree, NOW WHAT? We agree that Bennett's comments were racist and genicidal. Now What? How does Bennett's comments directly affect your movement to stop violence by Black folks in Newark?
http://audio.cbsnews.com/2005/09/30/audio892121.mp3 (http://audio.cbsnews.com/2005/09/30/audio892121.mp3 )

[TE2]

;) Im Glad that you can See and that you Agree Bro. South, and I know that there is a whole lot of Pro Souths out there, if you were to take your Knowwledge, Education, & Skills, not to mention your love for Humanity, and your people GIVE IT BACK we can make a real big diffrence the community were ever you live is crying out for you.
Bennetts remarks does not affect our Movement, but what does affect our movement is when Good people do Nothing.
Heres a quote from Dr. King--------------------------
"The only way for Evil to exsist is for Good people to do Nothing"
Know I can tell you how we can affect Bennett and all those who openly display, & spew Racist remarks call the station Salem Media, Write to the Station, and guess what I bet that many Blacks listen to that Station & Show since it run by Christians.
Secondly if we really want to stop the madness we would be more concious with our spending Dollars (DID WE FORGET THAT OUR DOLLARS IS OUR POWER) we should stop buying Timberlands,Tommyhillfiger, ETC. and all those other white owned and manufactured products making them richer and they dont even want your Money, did we forget OPRAHs hardluck in Europe I am not going to name everbody all the bussiness that really dont want your Money it would take a week, but we know who they are and still rush into their Stores everyday and spend all day, and dont let them Advertise a Holiday Sale George Washington day, Abe Lincon day, Columbus day sale we will be at the store 5:30 in the morning waiting in Line for them to open so we can give our money our power back Im not saying all our people are doing this so dont get it Twisted, but those who do--- you know who you are we need to stop it NOW :o & Hit them in the Pocket thats when you will get Respect :mad:[/B]

[ProSouth]

;) Im Glad that you can See and that you Agree Bro. South, and I know that there is a whole lot of Pro Souths out there, if you were to take your Knowwledge, Education, & Skills, not to mention your love for Humanity, and your people GIVE IT BACK we can make a real big diffrence the community were ever you live is crying out for you.
Bennetts remarks does not affect our Movement, but what does affect our movement is when Good people do Nothing.
Heres a quote from Dr. King--------------------------
"The only way for Evil to exsist is for Good people to do Nothing"
Know I can tell you how we can affect Bennett and all those who openly display, & spew Racist remarks call the station Salem Media, Write to the Station, and guess what I bet that many Blacks listen to that Station & Show since it run by Christians.
Secondly if we really want to stop the madness we would be more concious with our spending Dollars (DID WE FORGET THAT OUR DOLLARS IS OUR POWER) we should stop buying Timberlands,Tommyhillfiger, ETC. and all those other white owned and manufactured products making them richer and they dont even want your Money, did we forget OPRAHs hardluck in Europe I am not going to name everbody all the bussiness that really dont want your Money it would take a week, but we know who they are and still rush into their Stores everyday and spend all day, and dont let them Advertise a Holiday Sale George Washington day, Abe Lincon day, Columbus day sale we will be at the store 5:30 in the morning waiting in Line for them to open so we can give our money our power back Im not saying all our people are doing this so dont get it Twisted, but those who do--- you know who you are we need to stop it NOW :o & Hit them in the Pocket thats when you will get Respect :mad:[/B]What in your entire statement is going to stop the violence on the streets of Newark? Racists are going to exist until the end of time. We do all the things you suggest to stop the racist from publically spewing their beliefs...Then What?? Let's say that all the racist in America were gone tomorrow, will the streets of Newark be safe from gun violence at that point?? That is your mission, right? Please answer the question.

[5Reasons]

Thank you, South. TE2 is a supporter of the T-shirt qiet walks through the streets and more candles on corner where murders occurred crowd. At the end of the day, he offers no solutions, no timeline on when any of this gets better and definetely no measurements. Instead, he offers up these bland statements that, in the end, don't change reality. But then again, isn't his "charity" receiving city funds?

[Make Newark Clean]

Bennett's comment is white supremacy incarnate. It is one of the most "efficient" white-supremacy statements coming from a notable person in a very long time. It actually is in keeping with what I know of Bill Bennett's history, having followed him over the years regarding "revisionist history" among his other exhortations. The reason why I am so outraged by his remarks is because they are sophisticated and may sound reasonable to people who strive to be fair-minded in a racist-tinged society. I try to hold onto the truths as we know them.

1. There is only one species of man: homo sapiens. The latest scientific study concludes that there may be more DNA difference between two people in black Africa while that same African has closer traits to a freckled white person from Ireland.

2. Even President Bush has acknowledged recently in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina that there is a legacy in this country of locking the so-called "black" social group out of access to the opportunities financial and otherwise that build a sense of belonging and belief. One could use his remarks to advocate for reparations, which boggles my mind as being so damn controversial when the evidence for it is everywhere.

3. Number of black men involved in prison or parole are approaching 40% in some locales. Why? That's the polace any rational person should start to examine this issue unless he thinks that one group is genetically superior to the other.

4. Why are the most religious people in this country (black people) not God's favorite? Why do we have soooo many problems yet there are more churches per capita in the worst areas than anyplace else?

My point being, that to conflate crime to blackness is racist... period. Everythying else comes after. Now, whether we think that advocating for a better piece of the pie and because we don't get it is futile, well to the extent that is problematic, it is up to the more fortunate of us to give a damn about our own if the money does not come. Everybody in this country has made it with help. I remember the 1992 floods on the Mississippi River. There was no question that those folks would be helped by the federal government. There may not be any question that those in the Gulf region should be helped today, but obviously groups of people "tracked" into different circumstances begs different questions.

I believe we are NOT BEGGING when we demand that Goverment does more to make the playing field even. We are whether we like it or not AMERICANS of African descent. People like Bennett make it harder by emphasizing our "otherness" and that somehow we can be controlled instead of respected. If we allow that to become the basis of discussion of our status here in this country then we are fooled into a sophisticated argument of no merit. ALSO, those of us who work and struggle everyday sometimes not much beyond a paycheck from poverty ourselves can stand up. But it would be like black people getting together to pay for the Iraq war. It sounds reasonable, but the scope of the problem and the remedy among those who barely one-generation removed from poverty, well, may be less efficacious.

There will be no revolution for black people, I guess. I just don't see this problem being solved other than the way it's going to be: locking up more of us. And then we feed into our own inferiority when we, both, allow ourselves to be put in positions of being locked up AND when we have to be as pugnacious as Bill Bennett on the UPWARDS TO 40% of BLACK MEN who are. This is a national crisis! This is an American crisis! All we can do as those who care is play around the margins... and a lot better. However, life ain't easy for a lot of us so-called middle-class blacks either who can make a difference.

Why can my tax dollars go to fund everything else but not help poor people here at home generally and specifically geared toward the pockets of group poverty that we know the outcome of and where it exists.

I hope I'm clear... so much is flooding through me right now. I'll end this by saying this: Bill Bennett is a hypocritcal (remember his gambling problems) Rush Limbaugh-like sophisticated racist who SHOULD NOT engender a conversation on the plagues of the black community or black men in particular. He deserves to be exposed for what he is. Now, if we want to share our frustration and challenges with the ills of the black community, well that's another show.

[ProSouth]

Thank you, South. TE2 is a supporter of the T-shirt qiet walks through the streets and more candles on corner where murders occurred crowd. At the end of the day, he offers no solutions, no timeline on when any of this gets better and definetely no measurements. Instead, he offers up these bland statements that, in the end, don't change reality. But then again, isn't his "charity" receiving city funds?Good question. I too wonder how his organization is funded? I know it's not from selling t-shirts and mugs.

[Make Newark Clean]

I wonder if the problem of crime and underachievement in certain segments of the black community is more analogous to the "education divide" than the "motivation divide."

Many black folks are unaware that even the children of successful middle-class black people score lower on intelligence assessments and standard tests than their white counterparts.

In other words, even when everything seems to be equal, there is a skew between high-school test results for blacks versus white folks in similar suburban situations.

I don't have an answer, but I think it's important to realize that there are factors beyond what one may understand impacting being black in our United States of America.

Let me say here before I'm accused otherwise: I am four-square behind all calls for personal responsibility. One's ability to take control of his known world and moving forward academically, interpersonally, etc., puts one in a better place than one who does not.

However, that being said, how does this help little black Fuquan who has a mother who "chose" to be on crack and a non-existent daddy growing up in a land-value based school system that is in tatters. What is his likely destiny? And his children's likely destiny? What of his "choices"?

Moreover, how does it help little, and also black, Jonathan (good solid English name!) and his black peer group growing up in Randolph Township even with all the wonderful things that good parents give their children to help level the playing field? The skew in educational attainment is not eliminated.

Racism may be more pernicious than we wish to acknowledge.

[TE2]

Here is one more reason and it is the 6 Reason
I gave you the solution it is you 5 reasons it is you Pro South did you not read that in my reply. GET INVOLVED
My organization is not Funded and we do NOT recieve city Money MATTER OF FACT IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW I DONT EVEN WORK FOR THE CITY Again God is my source of Funding he Provides for the Organizations Every Need.
DO YOU GUYS BELIEVE IN GOD, believe it or not he woke you up this Morning Not your Alarm Clock-------------------- If you dont believe me go to Perry Funeral home put an Alarm clock in one of the rooms where life has passed on set it for 6:oclock watch it ring and see if the person gets up, but you have an advantage you have life and can do something to make a difrence to stop the Violence even if you reach one person you have done what you were put on this Earth to Do.
Complaing, Moaning, and being a professional Critic have never solved anything we need your Support, Help, expertise, Matter of fact if you join us you can See with your own eyes what a Diffrence we are making not to mention GODS Blessing.
Check us out www.enoughisenoughcoalition.com we dont need your Money we need your TIME ;) Give me a call you can get the number from the WEB SITE Waiting by the Phone Dont leave me Hangging :p

[5Reasons]

TE2:

I AM involved. Don't lecture me about this. Let's try this again....and I'll go slow for you....When WILL it GET BETTER? Give me a specific date. Give me some benchmarks that I can grapple with.

And I'm interested in this "God funds me" statement. In particular, does God pay by check or debit card? More important, what's his address (It is a "him", right?). Does God live in Newark?

So are you saying that your "charity" has NEVER recieved City funds? I just want make sure I am clear with this issue. Has your charity EVER received city funds, whether from the city, the city counsel et al. Please answer the question VERY CLEARLY.

[TE2]

DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU--------------------------
WE RECIEVE NO CITY FUNDING, NO GOVERMENT FUNDING, NO FUNDING OF ANY KIND AND TO ANSWER YOUR Next Question I see it Comming, No we Dont Have a 501c3 and been operating for 12 plus years and I dont want it, I have had plenty of opportuniy in the past 12 years to get it but I believe if someone wants to help your cause, or support you by giving they will do it not because you have a 501c3 number that way they can write it off the at the end of the Year but they will support you because they too want to make a Diffrence. and understand the conditions of our people.
Notice the Key word here is make a diffrence, I know you find it hard to believe , to tell you the Truth It shocks me too alot of times to do all that we do for Victimized Families and Community and we are recieving NO CITY MONIES, NO GOVERMENT DOLLARS NOT EVEN YOUR DOLLARS, but Thats what Faith is right. keep the Faith (" Adam Clayton Powell Jr ")

[5Reasons]

Okay, I think I understand your first part. Is the paperwork for 501c3 status too difficult to fill out? If so, I will be more than willing to help you. BTW - are you really saying that NO CITY COUNCIL OR MAYORAL PERSONNEL HAS EVER GIVEN YOU MONEY (Be careful with this one)?

And you didn't answer my second set of questions. You know, the questions related to "God funding you." How does God pay? Where does he live?

Notice how this guy avoidance giving any sort of outcome measures? He couldn't (and will NEVER) give you a date when things will get better. Ask him if things will get better in five years and he won't answer. Ask him what expectations should be attached to this "making a difference" (whatever the heck that is) approach, and he can give you none.

I mean, what fantasy world is he living in? If I go up to the drug and gang cartels that are controlling the neighborhoods and told them, I can get you job training, education and a real opportunity, but you have to give up this $20,000 per day Death Machine, what do you think they would say? Or, can you imagine I go up to them with TE2's, "I'm coming to you with a humanistic approach. Please put down your guns and drugs. This is not the answer." Do you realize how fast I would get blasted up in this mofo? :eek:

But according to TE2, all I have to do is "talk with them," and things will change. Is this guy serious?

[TE2]

Funding------------------------
Can you explain to me what your definition of funding is and please do not get it mixed up with Support, and support comes in many fashions, use of telephones, copy machine, fax machine etc.
Its called utilizeing Resourses, and my organization thanks everyone who supports us and our Campaign in what ever way they can support us/
The answer to your second question which I will answer for the 5th time God lives in you and his pay comes in the form of Blessing.
The Harvest is Plentyful , but the Labors are Few.
Now could that be because they are looking for Money for everything they DO IF SO COULD THAT BE WHY MANY OF PEOPLE will work 8hrs sometimes 16hrs doing all sorts of jobs for Money, but wont work an Hour for God a day.
God will pay you more than Man and he dont take out Taxes :)
P.S. Not getting religious on you just letting you know who our #One supporter is -GOD IS THE IS in Enough Is Enough Coalition I tell everybody that first when ever I do Public Speaking and I will always give Him the Glory & Praise, and he always Bless me for that :)

[Maximus]

If you're getting $$$ or "support" from politicians then it might make it a LITTLE difficult to criticize them, or march anywhere near city hall.

Yes, God will provide for all our needs but SATAN ensnares us by catering to our wants. And SATAN is alive and well in 920 Broad Street.

[Insideout]

Dayum, y'all been busy since I've been gone. I can't even find the rebuttal to my last post so that I can comment. Guess I'll start re-reading. Geesh :o

Happy Debating :p

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A lot of people are upset over comments made on the radio by the former education secretary and guardian of all things virtuous, Bill Bennett.

A Republican who served in the Reagan cabinet, Mr. Bennett told his listeners: "I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could - if that were your sole purpose - you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."

After making the point that exterminating blacks would be a most effective crime-fighting tool, he quickly added, "That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down."

When I first heard about Mr. Bennett's comments, I wondered why anyone was surprised. I've come to expect racial effrontery from big shots in the Republican Party. The G.O.P. has happily replaced the Democratic Party as a safe haven for bigotry, racially divisive tactics and strategies and outright anti-black policies. That someone who's been a stalwart of that outfit might muse publicly about the potential benefits of exterminating blacks is not surprising to me at all.

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

"And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.' "

Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book "Southern Politics in the 1990's."

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.

The payoff has been huge. Just as the Democratic Party would have been crippled in the old days without the support of the segregationist South, today's Republicans would have only a fraction of their current political power without the near-solid support of voters who are hostile to blacks.

When Democrats revolted against racism, the G.O.P. rallied to its banner.

Ronald Reagan, the G.O.P.'s biggest hero, opposed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of the mid-1960's. And he began his general election campaign in 1980 with a powerfully symbolic appearance in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were murdered in the summer of 1964. He drove the crowd wild when he declared: "I believe in states' rights."

Bill Bennett's musings about the extermination of blacks in America (it would be "impossible, ridiculous ... morally reprehensible") is all of a piece with a Republican Party philosophy that is endlessly insulting to black people and overwhelmingly hostile to their interests.

But that white racist vote, once so important to the Democrats and now so important to the G.O.P., has been steadily shrinking. The U.S. is less prejudiced than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, which is why George W. Bush had to try so hard to disenfranchise black voters in Florida in 2000; and why Jeb Bush had to call out the state police to try to intimidate black voters in Orlando, Fla., in 2004; and why Republicans in Georgia have come up with the equivalent of a poll tax (requiring people without a driver's license to pay $20 for a voter identification card), which will hurt poor, black and elderly voters.

Bill Bennett's twisted fantasies are a malignant outgrowth of our polarized past. Our job is to keep them from spreading into the future

www.nytimes.com

[5Reasons]

There's a larger political point: The Left has NEVER been the majority. The idea that the Democrats were the left is just not true, especially when you controlled for the Southern Democrats. Even in the late 30s when Democrats controlled over 300 SEATS in Congress, they couldn't get anti-lyching laws passed.

When Republicans talk about the '94 takeover in Congress, they are misreading the situation. The neocons were in control for a lot longer than that. And look, I'm not just talking about Blue Dog Democrats that voted with Republicans; I'm talking about old-line Democrats that were just racist remnants of the past.

Obviously, the Southern Strategy has worked and will continue to work in the forseable future. If the Democrats hope to be elected anytime soon, they beststa to get t'em nigs out da party.

The right-wing propaganda has been so successful and done so much work over the last five decades, you can't even conceptualize government without thinking about it in a racialist framework. What's worse is that there is no mechanism that can deprogram this social construction of reality at this point. Besides, the punkish Left is unprincipled in standing up to this propaganda network and so reality will continue to be shaped by that information machine.

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A lot of people are upset over comments made on the radio by the former education secretary and guardian of all things virtuous, Bill Bennett.

A Republican who served in the Reagan cabinet, Mr. Bennett told his listeners: "I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could - if that were your sole purpose - you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."

After making the point that exterminating blacks would be a most effective crime-fighting tool, he quickly added, "That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down."

When I first heard about Mr. Bennett's comments, I wondered why anyone was surprised. I've come to expect racial effrontery from big shots in the Republican Party. The G.O.P. has happily replaced the Democratic Party as a safe haven for bigotry, racially divisive tactics and strategies and outright anti-black policies. That someone who's been a stalwart of that outfit might muse publicly about the potential benefits of exterminating blacks is not surprising to me at all.

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

"And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.' "

Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book "Southern Politics in the 1990's."

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.

The payoff has been huge. Just as the Democratic Party would have been crippled in the old days without the support of the segregationist South, today's Republicans would have only a fraction of their current political power without the near-solid support of voters who are hostile to blacks.

When Democrats revolted against racism, the G.O.P. rallied to its banner.

Ronald Reagan, the G.O.P.'s biggest hero, opposed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of the mid-1960's. And he began his general election campaign in 1980 with a powerfully symbolic appearance in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were murdered in the summer of 1964. He drove the crowd wild when he declared: "I believe in states' rights."

Bill Bennett's musings about the extermination of blacks in America (it would be "impossible, ridiculous ... morally reprehensible") is all of a piece with a Republican Party philosophy that is endlessly insulting to black people and overwhelmingly hostile to their interests.

But that white racist vote, once so important to the Democrats and now so important to the G.O.P., has been steadily shrinking. The U.S. is less prejudiced than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, which is why George W. Bush had to try so hard to disenfranchise black voters in Florida in 2000; and why Jeb Bush had to call out the state police to try to intimidate black voters in Orlando, Fla., in 2004; and why Republicans in Georgia have come up with the equivalent of a poll tax (requiring people without a driver's license to pay $20 for a voter identification card), which will hurt poor, black and elderly voters.

Bill Bennett's twisted fantasies are a malignant outgrowth of our polarized past. Our job is to keep them from spreading into the future

www.nytimes.comWhen I read this too, I felt like I was at church or something--I got the holy ghost. This is incredibly well put.

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One of the reasons never to join a major political party--both have agendas that I just cannot support and sometimes find particularly offensive.

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One of the reasons never to join a major political party--both have agendas that I just cannot support and sometimes find particularly offensive.This is why I am an ardent supporter of proportional representation--we need to abolish this winner-take-all system of democracy. There are, to varying degrees, PR systems all over the world and all are fairly user-friendly. If we can get more political groups represented in our legislature we could begin to "level" the playing field as they say and not be demoralized into choosing the "less of two evils."

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Blacks are more than Criminals
By George E. Curry, NNPA Columnist


A listener sent an e-mail last week to Diane Rehm, the host of a popular program on WAMU, a public radio station in Washington, D.C., speculating on what the fallout would be if a prominent liberal were to suggest that if George W. Bush had been aborted, the United States would not be engaged in a war in Iraq.

Of course, Rush Limbaugh and other conservative talk show hosts would morph into apoplexy. They would have to strap down 95 percent of the staff at the Fox News and Pat Robertson might even propose assassinating the person who would utter such a thought.

Yet, when former Secretary of Education William Bennett asserted that the crime rate would drop if all Black babies were aborted, he was cheered by the right wing. Rush Limbaugh said on his radio program that Bennett "should have been applauded" for his comment. National Review Online columnist Andrew C. McCarthy deplored what he called "a shameful effort to paint him [Bennett] as a racist. He's about as bigoted as Santa Claus."

Conservative officeholders, for the most part, issued only perfunctory rebukes of Bennett.

Using almost identical language, both a spokesman for President Bush and Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman said it was "not appropriate" or that it was "inappropriate" when referring to Bennett's comments.

Even if one accepts Bennett's "hypothetical" assertion that if all Black babies were aborted, there would be a decline in the crime rate, that would still would not provide a complete picture of what life would be like without Blacks.

If all African-American babies had been aborted, Whites might be crashing into one another at intersections. Garrett Morgan, a Black man, invented the first traffic signal. If the men survived the traffic, they might not have survived World War I. Morgan also invented the gas mask, which saved many lives in the war and today protects firemen and other emergency workers.

In Bill Bennett's world, even more people might be dying from heart attacks. Dr. Daniel Hale Williams, an African-American, performed the first open heart surgery in 1893.

Bennett would certainly be tired of walking up and down steps. Without Alexander Miles, the Black inventor of the elevator, that's what Americans would be left with. And if they didn't tire from climbing the steps, they might get tired of shifting gears in their automotive vehicles. Another Black man, Richard Spikes, invented the automatic gearshift.

Of course, an automatic gearshift wouldn't do them any good if they didn't have the spark plugs - invented by Edmond Berger, an African-American -under the hood.

A self-described family values person, Bennett couldn't imagine life without the baby buggy. Without the life of W.H. Richardson, an African-American, Bennett wouldn't have to imagine that kind of life - he would be experiencing it.

Life at home wouldn't be as pleasurable without the air conditioning unit invented by Frederick M. Jones, a Black man. Life without air conditioning would be bad enough, but to live without a refrigerator would be even worse. And that's what Bennett would be doing if J. Standard, an African-American, had been aborted.

If Bennett wanted to flee a burning apartment building, he would have to jump and take his chances. If Blacks hadn't been born, J.W. Winters would not have developed the fire escape ladder.

Cutting the grass would be more of a chore, too. Bennett might have to utilize sling blades instead of using the lawn mower invented by L.A. Burr, an African-American.

An educated person such as William Bennett can appreciate the need for an almanac and he can thank another African-American, Benjamin Banneker, for that. At some point, Bennett uses pencils. The pencil sharpener was invented by J. L. Love, an African-American. Even if the erudite Bennett prefers a fountain pen to a pencil, he would be out of luck if it had not been for Walter B. Purvis, the Black inventor.

From a pure entertainment perspective, can anyone really say they would have enjoyed watching professional sports without Jackie Robinson, Jim Brown, Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Tiger Woods, Althea Gibson or Arthur Ashe?

Even the 2000 Republican national convention in Philadelphia would have been souless without the appearances of Brian McKnight, Chaka Khan, the Temptations, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, the Delfonics and Aaron Neville, all of whom would be have aborted under Bennett's scenario.

Finally, Bill Bennett's Republican buddies - Retired Army General Colin Powell, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and HUD Secretary Al Jackson - would not have been in George W. Bush's administration - or any other one - if they had been aborted.

William Bennett is smart enough to know that all Blacks aren't criminals. And if all Black babies had been aborted, the nation would have lost far more than lawbreakers.

George E. Curry is editor-in-chief of the NNPA News Service and BlackPressUSA.com. He appears on National Public Radio (NPR) three times a week as part of "News and Notes with Ed Gordon." To contact Curry or to book him for a speaking engagement, go to his Web site, www.georgecurry.com.

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Has anyone noticed how reminiscent Bill Bennett’s calls for genocide against Black children as a solution to crime are diametrically opposed to the Rights core value of Pro-Life? I haven’t heard or read a single comment that points this obvious contradiction out. The arguments have been that his comments are racists because it’s simply wrong to connect crime to unborn children—that’s stating the obvious. That’s only part of the story. What’s been overlooked is the notion of human life and the use of policy (law) to exclude Black life outside the parameters of humanity and thus from protection under law. What Bennett really did in his comment was strengthen social policy (not necessarily enforceable by law but shapes law) that further declares Black life not fully human and thus its extermination (specifically abortion) does not violate or sin against their pro-life sanctity of human life. Erie. 3/5s revisited.

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I thought the same thing when I heard is comments re abortion.

5's comments on instituionalized political racism are very insightful and I believe to be true.