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J. Sharpe James, J.D.
11-30-2008, 10:53 AM
I was told he was taken out of his office in handcuffs almost two weeks ago. Why no press? What did he do?

HAVESEENENOUGH
11-30-2008, 12:22 PM
He wasn't arrested. He was fired. They escorted him out of the building because they "say" that they believed he was going to resist his termination. It seems that everyone that gets fired under this Administration gets "escorted" from their office when they are terminated.

Expect more "escorts" in the near future.:D

Miss Tam-Tam
11-30-2008, 01:11 PM
He wasn't arrested. He was fired. They escorted him out of the building because they "say" that they believed he was going to resist his termination. It seems that everyone that gets fired under this Administration gets "escorted" from their office when they are terminated.

Expect more "escorts" in the near future.:D

:D :eek: :D :eek:

Miss Tam-Tam
11-30-2008, 01:13 PM
ABC director gets fired? Why? I don't have any particulars, but the first thing I thought of was playing loose with Newark's gin joints. ;) :cool:

Outside
11-30-2008, 01:28 PM
and this guy was another of the original supporters of Booker, former newark cop too. His wife died early this year or late last year in that botched plastic surgery op.

First Osorio gets busted back to patrol, now this guy is fired, maybe they know too much :eek: :eek: :eek:

HAVESEENENOUGH
11-30-2008, 02:16 PM
ABC director gets fired? Why? I don't have any particulars, but the first thing I thought of was playing loose with Newark's gin joints. ;) :cool:

There are several rumors why he was terminated. I will say that there is an ongoing Internal Affairs Investigation into incidents that took place in that office, but I can not comment any further at this time. I don't want a finger being pointed at me for violating any rules and regulations. I am also interested to see if this Administration ever gives a press release on this and what reason they give for the termination if they do.

Right now there may be a game show getting played behiind the scenes.

Has anyone seen "Monty Hall" around City Hall lately? "Pick Me Monty!" "Pick Me!" "Lets Make A Deal".

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D:D:D

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
11-30-2008, 04:18 PM
If he did something illegal then we THE CITIZENS of Newark are owed an explanation.

What happened to all the TRANSPARENT, PROGRESSIVE government we were promised?

AND TO THINK THESE CLOWNS CAN'T EVEN MANAGE THE CITY WEBSITE!

BTW - There was a large Solidarity Rally today......Golden Boy was nowhere to be found.

OneEyeOpen
11-30-2008, 05:45 PM
If he did something illegal then we THE CITIZENS of Newark are owed an explanation.

What happened to all the TRANSPARENT, PROGRESSIVE government we were promised?

AND TO THINK THESE CLOWNS CAN'T EVEN MANAGE THE CITY WEBSITE!

BTW - There was a large Solidarity Rally today......Golden Boy was nowhere to be found.

BEFORE they offer press releases describing criminality? One can be fired from a job without actually having committed a crime, so just because he's gone does not mean that his employer has a legal right to discuss his termination absent the legal justification to do so. You went to law school, you of all people should know better than engaging in such recklessly irresponsible rhetoric.

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
11-30-2008, 07:19 PM
The bottom line since I started this thread was that the ABC Director, who's been on the job for less than 2 years was FIRED, and no one knows why?

An employer who fires someone FOR A REASON can freely let the public know why a person was let go. Ask yourself why the folks YOU bragged about being so professional have more criminal convictions in TWO years than Sharpe ever had?

Lets run down the list, shall we?
Dana Rone (Councilwoman - Team Booker) - Convicted
Gary McCarthy (NPD Director) -Convicted
Keith Reid (Councilwoman Crump's Chief or Staff) - Plead guilty to bribery last week and stated in proceedings that he could influence MULTIPLE Newark councilpersons.
Melvin Bittle(Ron Rice Jr's Aide) - Convicted

This all within a two year period...and there will be more

So stop being a HACK who defends the current administration One Eye.......

I heard Arroyo was shaking down liquor license owners. Is this the kind of progressive, transparent government you wanted to move Newark forward?

BTW - What was your response about the website? Oh, don't have one? Over 1.8 million spent and the city still doesn't know how to use it or make it functional to serve the citizens. And trust me, from what I've seen, it isn't 660 fault the site is not current, but the failure of folks in city hall to update it on a regular basis.

Mark J.
11-30-2008, 09:05 PM
Does anyone know why Bill Letona is leaving?

Hots in the Ironbound
11-30-2008, 10:00 PM
I heard Arroyo was shaking down liquor license owners. Is this the kind of progressive, transparent government you wanted to move Newark forward?



If this is true, then this is truly bad news...

BornFree
11-30-2008, 10:18 PM
It is highly unlikely that the ABC Secretary was involved in any illegal activities. No one at this point has mentioned that the Assistant Business Administrator was also fired and escorted out of his office during the same timeframe. What is evident to me is that there is someone other than the Mayor calling the shots in this City.

BornFree
11-30-2008, 10:25 PM
I was told he was taken out of his office in handcuffs almost two weeks ago. Why no press? What did he do?

It is very interesting that someone fed you with bogus information about the incident. Is it possible that they are using you to spread misinformation while you are away? Or is it that you are starting your own Campaign with a bang. Please John the world wants to know.

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
12-01-2008, 01:11 AM
Unfortunately, as someone who was not on this forum when it was created, you would know that MANY incidents, rumors and innuendos are ALWAYS brought up and vetted here.

The bottom line is that I started this thread with a question about Arroyo. It was CONFIRMED by another poster that he was fired. So my question was "For what reason?"

Now you bring up the Assistant BA, unfortunately I know for a fact that he was let go or fired because he did not support the Osborne campaign as much as some thought he should have.

If questions or comments about the current or past administration are considered "The Initiation of a Campaign" then my campaign would have started in 2004 when I began posting on this forum. The following Individuals are also running with me; 5 reasons, Doofus, One Eye (For Dog Catcher) and Last Cuban. You will see our petitions shortly.

BTW - Since you allege the comments about Arroyo are false, please tell us whether he was FIRED or not and if so WHAT was he fired for......

HAVESEENENOUGH
12-01-2008, 11:30 AM
Unfortunately, as someone who was not on this forum when it was created, you would know that MANY incidents, rumors and innuendos are ALWAYS brought up and vetted here.

The bottom line is that I started this thread with a question about Arroyo. It was CONFIRMED by another poster that he was fired. So my question was "For what reason?"

Now you bring up the Assistant BA, unfortunately I know for a fact that he was let go or fired because he did not support the Osborne campaign as much as some thought he should have.

If questions or comments about the current or past administration are considered "The Initiation of a Campaign" then my campaign would have started in 2004 when I began posting on this forum. The following Individuals are also running with me; 5 reasons, Doofus, One Eye (For Dog Catcher) and Last Cuban. You will see our petitions shortly.

BTW - Since you allege the comments about Arroyo are false, please tell us whether he was FIRED or not and if so WHAT was he fired for......




I assure you he was terminated. I don't come on this forum and post misinformation. Not intentionally at least. If I ever post something on this forum that I am not sure of I state it in my post. If someone proves me wrong I stand corrected like a man. Take my word on this one. HE WAS TERMINATED. I am just not going to post the reasons why he was terminated because there may be an ongoing investigation.:eek:

BTW: The Assistant BA getting an "escort" was news to me. With these salary cuts maybe the taxpayers can get some of that 45 million back.

Poet
12-01-2008, 11:39 AM
You call for the Mayor to get rid of them. He does (and just doesn't send you a memo about what went down). And now you're criticizing the Mayor for what some of you told him to do in the first place.

Man, they just can't win with some of ya'll, can they?!

I'm glad they are taking these actions. I don't know what all is behind it, but as long as they are addressing problems, I ain't complaining!

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
12-01-2008, 01:52 PM
I didn't know there were widespread problems which you allege some folks wanted him out?

Thats news to me. Since you have more info then what were the problems people complained about?

LastCubanStanding
12-01-2008, 02:17 PM
I didn't know there were widespread problems which you allege some folks wanted him out?

Thats news to me. Since you have more info then what were the problems people complained about?


Jet-Ski's MO:

A. Start a slanderous, inaccurate thread.

B. Act stupid when he's called out on it.

C. Desperately try to turn it around.

Still grasping at straws?

newarkismyhome
12-01-2008, 02:44 PM
whats the name of the (fired) Assistant BA?

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
12-01-2008, 05:05 PM
Jet-Ski's MO:

A. Start a slanderous, inaccurate thread.

B. Act stupid when he's called out on it.

C. Desperately try to turn it around.

Still grasping at straws?

Did Arroyo get fired? If you don't know then HOW does my thread become inaccurate? Another poster has CONFIRMED the firing took place and yet ANOTHER poster stated that a person in the BA's office got fired ALSO.

Nothing to "Turn around" in those two issues.

Bottom line is that for a certified HACK like yourself, who's only contribution has been to attack anything with JAMES attached to it, you are awfully quiet when scandals arise DIRECTLY related to the current administration.

While HACKs like you went haywire over what Jackie Mattison was convicted of 15 years ago, YOU guys are eerily quiet on Crump's Chief of staff pleading GUILTY TO TAKING A BRIBE just last week, and for folks to be fired without explanation raises questions.

Nothing to spin here, its ALL UNDER THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION'S watch.

I have never run from controversy or issues concerning Newark, and since I live here and pay taxes I have every right to know why the ABC Director who was on the job less than two years got fired.

If you have something to add, speak on it. But if all you intend to do is criticize my comments then you Last Cuban are a HACK. I notice you you didn't say a PEEP when I listed all of the CONVICTIONS received by the current administration.

P.S. While I was out in the rain and cold at the Solidarity march trying to improve Newark this weekend where were you? In your BED? You HACK!

LastCubanStanding
12-01-2008, 05:29 PM
Did Arroyo get fired? If you don't know then HOW does my thread become inaccurate? Another poster has CONFIRMED the firing took place and yet ANOTHER poster stated that a person in the BA's office got fired ALSO.

Nothing to "Turn around" in those two issues.

Bottom line is that for a certified HACK like yourself, who's only contribution has been to attack anything with JAMES attached to it, you are awfully quiet when scandals arise DIRECTLY related to the current administration.

While HACKs like you went haywire over what Jackie Mattison was convicted of 15 years ago, YOU guys are eerily quiet on Crump's Chief of staff pleading GUILTY TO TAKING A BRIBE just last week, and for folks to be fired without explanation raises questions.

Nothing to spin here, its ALL UNDER THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION'S watch.

I have never run from controversy or issues concerning Newark, and since I live here and pay taxes I have every right to know why the ABC Director who was on the job less than two years got fired.

If you have something to add, speak on it. But if all you intend to do is criticize my comments then you Last Cuban are a HACK. I notice you you didn't say a PEEP when I listed all of the CONVICTIONS received by the current administration.

P.S. While I was out in the rain and cold at the Solidarity march trying to improve Newark this weekend where were you? In your BED? You HACK!

Where did I mention Sharpe James or anything related?

Did you NOT mention handcuffs? Why did you mention that, especially since you knew you had less-than-accurate information?

Quiet? I think you need to do some research, Jet-Ski.

You know what happens when you assume, don't you?

Where was I? WORKING...You should try it sometime.

Doofus1
12-01-2008, 05:43 PM
P.S. While I was out in the rain and cold at the Solidarity march trying to improve Newark this weekend where were you? In your BED? You HACK!

Okay, I'll bite. And exactly how did the March improve Newark? Was at least one decent paying job created by the March? Was a single crime actually prevented by the March? Did the March lead to the existence of at least one more affordable housing unit?

BTW, where did you safely park your car when driving up from your true Ocean County home, you know, the one where you keep your Jet Ski? :D

brotherderek
12-01-2008, 11:09 PM
for all to just be a little more patient....The fall of Pablo ,who instructed the ABC,the fall of booker,crump..et al is here...Take it easy...The good news is on the way.

BornFree
12-01-2008, 11:35 PM
[QUOTE=HAVESEENENOUGH] Take my word on this one. HE WAS TERMINATED. I am just not going to post the reasons why he was terminated because there may be an ongoing investigation.:eek:

We all already know that there was a harassment claim filed by one of the employees in the ABC office against another employee and that just about all the employees in the office were transfered out to other commands, but I do not believe this is why the Director was fired. I believe it was an ongoing power struggle which involved Pablo Fonseca and others. It is widely known that Pablo was furious when his buddy, former Chief Campos, was removed from his post and that all that may have had something to do with it had to be on the lookout including Cory.

Caballero De Newark
12-02-2008, 12:06 AM
[QUOTE=HAVESEENENOUGH] Take my word on this one. HE WAS TERMINATED. I am just not going to post the reasons why he was terminated because there may be an ongoing investigation.:eek:

We all already know that there was a harassment claim filed by one of the employees in the ABC office against another employee and that just about all the employees in the office were transfered out to other commands, but I do not believe this is why the Director was fired. I believe it was an ongoing power struggle which involved Pablo Fonseca and others. It is widely known that Pablo was furious when his buddy, former Chief Campos, was removed from his post and that all that may have had something to do with it had to be on the lookout including Cory.

...with someone that knows and it's ALL true! He was fired and the investigation is ongoing. It's also true that this happened a couple of weeks ago and that the people in that department were all transfered but his being terminated was unrelated. It IS another embarassment to the current administration and it is wise to keep things like this quiet for that reason; who can blame Mr. Booker's camp for that?

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
12-02-2008, 12:11 AM
Last Cube and Doofus........Any comments on Caballeros' post?

Miss Tam-Tam
12-02-2008, 12:46 AM
...It IS another embarassment to the current administration and it is wise to keep things like this quiet for that reason; who can blame Mr. Booker's camp for that?

In public office there is no such thing as a secret. Just ask Jon Corzine!:D ;)

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
12-02-2008, 01:14 AM
Corzine's been keeping his stuff pretty private.. No one knows about the emails and no one will know about Katz' brother's alleged agreement.

Miss Tam-Tam
12-02-2008, 01:29 AM
Corzine's been keeping his stuff pretty private.. No one knows about the emails and no one will know about Katz' brother's alleged agreement.

But the fact that Jonny Boy was willing to pay the brother-in-law more than a quarter of a million and Carla many times over a million to keep quiet is pretty damaging. It creates endless speculation which has dragged Corzine down throughout most of his term. He wanted them to keep his secrets so that he could preserve his political career, but it has had exactly the opposite affect. No matter how many dog and pony shows Corzine rolls out, the Katz Family keeps bubbling to the surface like a body in the river that won't stay down. Does the public have a right to know these secrets? Yes. Why? Because Corzine, Carla and her brother-in-law are all -- or were -- public officials who were paid with our money.

Like the column below states, when Jonny Boy was at Goldman Sachs, he could do pretty much what he wanted. It was a privately owned company when Jonny was there. But when you are in the public domain *all* of your life is fair game.

Like Doofus has stated here, it is often the cover-up that is worse than the supposed crime itself.

Coming around full circle to the goings on at the Newark ABC office: Sure Booker wants any unpleasantness that may have occurred there swept clean and hushed up. But it's still a public office and the public has a right to know what is going on. I'm sure Booker may be concerned that unfair inferences may be made. However, the ABC is an agency that has profound impact on Newark's neighborhoods. It should not be operating in the shade.

http://www.inthelobby.net/modules.php?name=News&file=categories&op=newindex&catid=1

LastCubanStanding
12-02-2008, 09:17 AM
Last Cube and Doofus........Any comments on Caballeros' post?


You said:

I was told he was taken out of his office in handcuffs almost two weeks ago.

Was he arrested or fired? BIG DIFFERENCE (which you seem to be avoiding.)

Newark Advocate
12-02-2008, 11:09 AM
[QUOTE=BornFree]

...with someone that knows and it's ALL true! He was fired and the investigation is ongoing. It's also true that this happened a couple of weeks ago and that the people in that department were all transfered but his being terminated was unrelated. It IS another embarassment to the current administration and it is wise to keep things like this quiet for that reason; who can blame Mr. Booker's camp for that?Without saying exactly what I heard did his firing have anything to do indirectly with Cliff Minor?

Caballero De Newark
12-02-2008, 05:39 PM
[QUOTE=Caballero De Newark]Without saying exactly what I heard did his firing have anything to do indirectly with Cliff Minor?
...that he was playing both sides by supporting Mr. Minor & the current mayor; it's also been said to me that he's been backing Ramos' possible run. But I'm told that the reshuffling in that department had to do with dressing someone prominent's son up in drag and taking pictures/making fun of the kid and that they were all poking fun. *The arrest/termination is for something else.

brotherderek
12-02-2008, 09:58 PM
It somehow showed the former mayor firing and seeking revenge on people who wished to express a right....My ,my...how things have changed..

jazzyken
12-03-2008, 10:56 AM
Only thing I would like to say in this post...
I am GLAD that the people that were HIRED by this administration, IF they are not qualified or NOT doing there job for RESIDENTS, are fired before they make MILLIONS off of the poorest people in the state. Get rid of their azzez now before they can collect pensions and sit on the taxpayers... just my thoughts

Newark Advocate
12-03-2008, 11:57 AM
Only thing I would like to say in this post...
I am GLAD that the people that were HIRED by this administration, IF they are not qualified or NOT doing there job for RESIDENTS, are fired before they make MILLIONS off of the poorest people in the state. Get rid of their azzez now before they can collect pensions and sit on the taxpayers... just my thoughtsLets not assume this guy was removed because he was not qualified or not doing his job. If I got the story straight this guy was first targeted by Booker to be the head of ABC and now that they find out that he was supporting Clifford Minor for Mayor sounds like his firing was strictly political. It also says plenty about what people really think of Booker especially those who work for him.

Was this guy qualified when they hired him? How was he qualified then and not qualified now? If he wasn't qualified then this is an example of Booker's poor judgment.

Lets not turn this into some good thing that Booker did because it is not.

Is the Booker Administration getting rid of the other folks before they make MILLIONS off the poorest people in the state? I did not think so.

(I'm always shocked at the Booker brainwashing of some people)

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
12-03-2008, 12:03 PM
Only thing I would like to say in this post...
I am GLAD that the people that were HIRED by this administration, IF they are not qualified or NOT doing there job for RESIDENTS, are fired before they make MILLIONS off of the poorest people in the state. Get rid of their azzez now before they can collect pensions and sit on the taxpayers... just my thoughts


Unfortunately, It just makes you wonder why and how they were hired in the first place if they are replaced so quickly. It also highlights the lack of services provided to the citizens while the employee is doing things he shouldn't and while a replacement is found. It also ultimately questions how a department can improve when the director's position is like musical chairs.

jazzyken
12-03-2008, 12:52 PM
Lets not assume this guy was removed because he was not qualified or not doing his job. If I got the story straight this guy was first targeted by Booker to be the head of ABC and now that they find out that he was supporting Clifford Minor for Mayor sounds like his firing was strictly political. It also says plenty about what people really think of Booker especially those who work for him.

Was this guy qualified when they hired him? How was he qualified then and not qualified now? If he wasn't qualified then this is an example of Booker's poor judgment.

Lets not turn this into some good thing that Booker did because it is not.

Is the Booker Administration getting rid of the other folks before they make MILLIONS off the poorest people in the state? I did not think so.

(I'm always shocked at the Booker brainwashing of some people)
Let me clear this for everyone:
I am not saying he was qualified or not... I do not know what his reason for being terminated... I am speaking about the "list" that was put on someone's post that showed people were terminated for various reasons. I am not sure what is going on downtown but I pray that the politics stop and doing what is best for the residents begin..

Caballero De Newark
12-03-2008, 05:04 PM
Only thing I would like to say in this post...
I am GLAD that the people that were HIRED by this administration, IF they are not qualified or NOT doing there job for RESIDENTS, are fired before they make MILLIONS off of the poorest people in the state. Get rid of their azzez now before they can collect pensions and sit on the taxpayers... just my thoughts

...agree!

BornFree
12-03-2008, 07:52 PM
Unfortunately, It just makes you wonder why and how they were hired in the first place if they are replaced so quickly. It also highlights the lack of services provided to the citizens while the employee is doing things he shouldn't and while a replacement is found. It also ultimately questions how a department can improve when the director's position is like musical chairs.

It is amazing how Arroyo was first described as being arrested, then described as shaking down license owners, then supporting Minor for Mayor, and then possibly supporting Ramos for Mayor. Wow, He seems to some to have super powers not unlike Superman. Everyone is missing the point that I mentioned before about an eye for an eye. Someone must have something on Mayor Booker and is using CIA type tactics to erradicate individuals that refuse to play the game. Now there are only less than a handful of individuals around with enough juice to conduct these operations. I'll leave it up to everyone to figure out who they are, it shouldn't be difficult. So far what I've heard about Arroyo is that he did a good job while ABC Secretary. What I have not heard is a factual basis from the administration on the reasons for his termination, whether good or bad. I guess there is nothing to force the administration to say what actually happened other than having others throw out sh*t in the air and hoping that it hits the target.

brotherderek
12-03-2008, 08:42 PM
the tall building,hired by booker ,bought and paid for by fonseca.Who left ,faster then a speeding bullet..

HAVESEENENOUGH
12-03-2008, 10:56 PM
It is amazing how Arroyo was first described as being arrested, then described as shaking down license owners, then supporting Minor for Mayor, and then possibly supporting Ramos for Mayor. Wow, He seems to some to have super powers not unlike Superman. Everyone is missing the point that I mentioned before about an eye for an eye. Someone must have something on Mayor Booker and is using CIA type tactics to erradicate individuals that refuse to play the game. Now there are only less than a handful of individuals around with enough juice to conduct these operations. I'll leave it up to everyone to figure out who they are, it shouldn't be difficult. So far what I've heard about Arroyo is that he did a good job while ABC Secretary. What I have not heard is a factual basis from the administration on the reasons for his termination, whether good or bad. I guess there is nothing to force the administration to say what actually happened other than having others throw out sh*t in the air and hoping that it hits the target.

He wasn't arrested. He was fired. They escorted him out of the building because they "say" that they believed he was going to resist his termination. It seems that everyone that gets fired under this Administration gets "escorted" from their office when they are terminated.


I assure you he was terminated. I don't come on this forum and post misinformation. Not intentionally at least. If I ever post something on this forum that I am not sure of I state it in my post. If someone proves me wrong I stand corrected like a man. Take my word on this one. HE WAS TERMINATED. I am just not going to post the reasons why he was terminated because there may be an ongoing investigation.

BornFree
12-03-2008, 11:36 PM
He wasn't arrested. He was fired. They escorted him out of the building because they "say" that they believed he was going to resist his termination. It seems that everyone that gets fired under this Administration gets "escorted" from their office when they are terminated.


I assure you he was terminated. I don't come on this forum and post misinformation. Not intentionally at least. If I ever post something on this forum that I am not sure of I state it in my post. If someone proves me wrong I stand corrected like a man. Take my word on this one. HE WAS TERMINATED. I am just not going to post the reasons why he was terminated because there may be an ongoing investigation.


Hey buddy, I am fully aware that he was fired and not arrested. I was being sarcastic about the comments made by others who wish to throw up in the air all types of scenarios hoping that one will stick.

HAVESEENENOUGH
12-04-2008, 09:53 AM
Hey buddy, I am fully aware that he was fired and not arrested. I was being sarcastic about the comments made by others who wish to throw up in the air all types of scenarios hoping that one will stick.

I realize that. However, some of what others are saying may be true. You may know later, or you may never know.:)

OneEyeOpen
12-09-2008, 02:05 AM
The bottom line since I started this thread was that the ABC Director, who's been on the job for less than 2 years was FIRED, and no one knows why?

An employer who fires someone FOR A REASON can freely let the public know why a person was let go. Ask yourself why the folks YOU bragged about being so professional have more criminal convictions in TWO years than Sharpe ever had?

Lets run down the list, shall we?
Dana Rone (Councilwoman - Team Booker) - Convicted
Gary McCarthy (NPD Director) -Convicted
Keith Reid (Councilwoman Crump's Chief or Staff) - Plead guilty to bribery last week and stated in proceedings that he could influence MULTIPLE Newark councilpersons.
Melvin Bittle(Ron Rice Jr's Aide) - Convicted

This all within a two year period...and there will be more

So stop being a HACK who defends the current administration One Eye.......

I heard Arroyo was shaking down liquor license owners. Is this the kind of progressive, transparent government you wanted to move Newark forward?

BTW - What was your response about the website? Oh, don't have one? Over 1.8 million spent and the city still doesn't know how to use it or make it functional to serve the citizens. And trust me, from what I've seen, it isn't 660 fault the site is not current, but the failure of folks in city hall to update it on a regular basis.

What I defend are facts and reality, not this ridiculous spin you seem to think helps us one bit.

Unlike you, I'm not defending anyone, as I could care less about this administration, or any politician for that matter. What I care about is not being treated like an idiot, as is often your habit where the public is concerned.

This nonsense about the criminality of this administration compared to that of their predecessors is a pathetic joke. When Booker's right hands start stashing cash under the floorboards of their homes, or are convicted for crimes like drug trafficking, then come at me with this foolishness comparing the depravity of the present versus the past.

Unlike your Dad's era, I don't see anyone protecting the criminality of anyone on that list, that is quite frankly a fraction of your dad's rogues gallery, and even contains names familiar from his time in office.

No one is excusing any of them, not even those convicted of crimes that are pathetic a joke when stacked up to the criminal enterprises that are characteristic of those whose "honor," for lack of a better word, you clearly hope to defend.

When you see these folks coming back into the fold as they did in the old crooked days, then you get to talk.

As for that termination, all you've offered is the expected reckless speculation that has become your calling card anytime you open your mouth. I also note how fast you run from that topic to linger on the nonsense you absurdly hope to spin into something positive for your crew.

Unlike you John I don't defend criminals, no matter who they are or where they hail from for the sake of anyone political camp. That frees me to be something you'll never be, honest with myself and my community.

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
12-09-2008, 08:02 AM
Spin is your repeated reference to a conviction which happened 15 years ago during the James Era to justify CURRENT convictions or questionable practices by the Booker administration.

BTW - I see you had no response for the 2.5 million dollars website.

OneEyeOpen
12-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Spin is your repeated reference to a conviction which happened 15 years ago during the James Era to justify CURRENT convictions or questionable practices by the Booker administration.

BTW - I see you had no response for the 2.5 million dollars website.

the last James Era conviction was this year.

The so-called indications of corruption you hoped to raise as an issue, are pathetic jokes. Confrontations in the street with outside law enforcement? That's what you hope to list in the company of crooked police directors, a corrupt Chief of Staff, and a Mayor presently serving time? You couldn't be that blind, so I'll have to accept that you're that dishonest.

As for the website, I simply don't know enough about it to comment. If there is a 2.5 million dollar website, then someone has some serious explaining to do. No I do not believe that a website should cost that much in this day and age, and the taxpayers deserve clear and concise answers as to why it has cost so much, if it has indeed cost that much. Excuse me if I question your numbers, you don't exactly have a reputation of honesty and integrity where allegations against your political opponents are concerned.

That being said, where would that compare to the "James Era" attempt to walk off with $80 million on the way out the door?

HAVESEENENOUGH
12-10-2008, 12:35 AM
You jacked your own thread. This was about Arroyo. Your getting into it with OneEye now about other people and old news. Start another thread with OneEye to continue with this if you want to.


But do you think it would be worth it?

Make Newark Clean
12-10-2008, 12:42 PM
What I defend are facts and reality, not this ridiculous spin you seem to think helps us one bit.

Unlike you, I'm not defending anyone, as I could care less about this administration, or any politician for that matter. What I care about is not being treated like an idiot, as is often your habit where the public is concerned.

This nonsense about the criminality of this administration compared to that of their predecessors is a pathetic joke. When Booker's right hands start stashing cash under the floorboards of their homes, or are convicted for crimes like drug trafficking, then come at me with this foolishness comparing the depravity of the present versus the past.

Unlike your Dad's era, I don't see anyone protecting the criminality of anyone on that list, that is quite frankly a fraction of your dad's rogues gallery, and even contains names familiar from his time in office.

No one is excusing any of them, not even those convicted of crimes that are pathetic a joke when stacked up to the criminal enterprises that are characteristic of those whose "honor," for lack of a better word, you clearly hope to defend.

When you see these folks coming back into the fold as they did in the old crooked days, then you get to talk.

As for that termination, all you've offered is the expected reckless speculation that has become your calling card anytime you open your mouth. I also note how fast you run from that topic to linger on the nonsense you absurdly hope to spin into something positive for your crew.

Unlike you John I don't defend criminals, no matter who they are or where they hail from for the sake of anyone political camp. That frees me to be something you'll never be, honest with myself and my community.

Get 'em!!! :D Fairly and beautifully written.

LastCubanStanding
12-10-2008, 01:12 PM
Spin is your repeated reference to a conviction which happened 15 years ago during the James Era to justify CURRENT convictions or questionable practices by the Booker administration.

BTW - I see you had no response for the 2.5 million dollars website.

John, you are going to have to up your game if you wanted to be elected to anything. This shuck and jive innuendo nonsense doesn't work anymore. The citizens of Newark are smarter than you give them credit for. Stick to the issues and you might have a chance.

jimmyr
12-10-2008, 07:48 PM
Very well spoken!

J. Sharpe James, J.D.
12-10-2008, 10:38 PM
Just tackled one issue last week with the halfway house and not ONE ELECTED official stepped up.

I enjoy your continual attacks against me while the folks in office who are PAID to do what I am doing do nothing.

I could part water and you would still denounce me so I refuse to evaluate my accomplishments based on your approval.

LastCubanStanding
12-11-2008, 01:27 PM
Just tackled one issue last week with the halfway house and not ONE ELECTED official stepped up.

I enjoy your continual attacks against me while the folks in office who are PAID to do what I am doing do nothing.

I could part water and you would still denounce me so I refuse to evaluate my accomplishments based on your approval.


As per your usual, you missed the point completely. I give up.

BornFree
12-11-2008, 05:57 PM
CLUB FIGHTS FOR ITS LICENSE

Wednesday, December 10, 2008
BY CARMEN JURI
Star-Ledger Staff

Since it opened its doors in 1964, Club Espaņa in the Iron bound section of Newark has held a liquor license. Now, city officials say they are looking at whether the club is within its rights to sell liquor to non-members.
Club president John Abeigon said there is nothing unclear about his license. He called the investiga tion the latest attempt by the city to close him down, a charge which the city denies.

"We have the same license that any bar or restaurant in the city has," Abeigon said. "We can be open to the public. It's a very extensive license."
Abeigon's license, called a 33 license, enables establishments to remain open until 3 a.m. and serve the public. But city officials say a social club can serve liquor only to members. It cannot operate as a bar and serve alcohol to the general public, while taking advantage of tax-exemptions given to social clubs.

"We're not a social club. We're a cultural center," said Abeigon. "We give dance and music lessons, do workshops on culture and get grants based on programming we do."

Abeigon likens his club to other nonprofits, like Goodwill or the Sal vation Army, who are listed as charities but own buildings and as sets.
"There is confusion as to what they are considered, a social club or a regular bar and restaurant," said East Ward Councilman Augusto Amador. "If they have all the regulations for a bar and restaurant, then they are within their regulations for a regular dance hall. If they don't, they have to be regulated by the guidelines of a social club license."

City spokeswoman Janet Dickerson denied the club was being targeted. She said the city is trying to help the establishment, not shut it down.
"Of course there are no personal vendettas here," she said. "It's actually quite to the contrary: We consider Club Espaņa to be an asset and partner to the community, which is exactly why we've been working with them to try and resolve this."

The license conflict is the most recent run-in between Abeigon and city officials. He said restrictions by the Newark Alcoholic Beverage Commission forced him to put the Newark institution up for sale for $1.5 million. The club, which takes $400,000 a year to run, is barely sur viving, he said.

Dwindling membership has also contributed to the club's demise, since Spaniards have been migrat ing out of Newark.

In July 2007, the ABC refused to renew the club's liquor license, citing underage drinking charges from 2006, Abeigon said. The city also said neighbors called call police every weekend to complain of noise.
After the club appealed to the state ABC, the license was reinstated with conditions to last four months, he said.

Under the restrictions, the club could stay open until 1 a.m., and Abeigon had to hire security. Those conditions were expected to last until Feb. 22, when the Newark ABC was to modify or lift the conditions, Abeigon said. Instead, officials ignored repeated requests for a hearing.

In March, the ABC imposed an additional six weeks of conditions with the club closing at 2 a.m. and turning the music off at 1 a.m., Abeigon said. In exchange, the ABC would drop all charges and the club would return to normal operations on April 10 to avoid going before an administrative law judge. But the ABC imposed the conditions for another year. Abeigon appealed to the Office of Administrative Law. The night before the hearing, the ABC called him to settle and extended club hours an extra half hour, he said. Abeigon said he complied with all the conditions.

On Sept. 19, when he thought conditions would be lifted, then- ABC president Jimmy Arroyo im posed new conditions, asking Abei gon to convert an exit door into an emergency-only fire exit, he said. He complied.
"The fire department has known about that door for 100 years and never deemed it an emergency exit," he said.

Last week, during a meeting with new acting ABC director Ken drick Isaac, Abeigon was hopeful he could once again extend club hours. Instead, he was told the club's liquor license may be in question.
"Yet another hurdle," he said.

Arroyo, who city officials said resigned from his position last month, defended the penalties im posed on the club. He said he asked for the back door to be turned into an emergency door be cause patrons were entering and exiting through, which caused a nuisance in the neighborhood.
"People would walk through at all hours of the night and the music would blast through that door," Arroyo said. "When that neighborhood is nice and quiet, all that music would come through."

Abeigon, 51, has been coming to the club since childhood and remembers its heyday in the 1960s and 1970s when some 1,000 families were members. He hopes he can work out a compromise with the city.
"I'm hoping this is not the final nail in the coffin," he said.
Staff writer Katie Wang contributed to this report.

Doofus1
12-11-2008, 06:14 PM
Dwindling membership has also contributed to the club's demise, since Spaniards have been migrat ing out of Newark.

If I was a cynic, I would wonder whether the reduced economic position of the club resulted in a stoppage of the flow of payola and led to this recent problem. :rolleyes: But that would be pure speculation on my part.

All kidding aside, I look at social clubs somewhat questionably as operating on the shady edge of the law. Perhaps I am completely wrong about this place.

Miss Tam-Tam
12-11-2008, 06:27 PM
If I was a cynic, I would wonder whether the reduced economic position of the club resulted in a stoppage of the flow of payola and led to this recent problem. :rolleyes: But that would be pure speculation on my part.

The ring of truth especially considering that the club has been in existence for 42 years.